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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Will your brave PM institute any sanctions against the US? Tweets are cheap as.

Sanctions because... ?

Attacks on Canadian dual citizens; attacks on the international order for dealing with refugees.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Well, right now a Queen doesn't look like such a bad idea..

If Donald Trump was Prime Minister of the UK instead of President of the US, do you think the Queen would stop him from doing something like this? I'm pretty sure the answer is "No".

The queen is a figurehead and doesn't get involved in politics - the point being that she doesn't fiddle with parliament's politics, and they don't cut her out of the picture. Been that way for centuries.

Here in Australia, the picture is similar. The Governor General (queen's representative) is the ceremonial head of state and can dissolve government prompting new elections, but can't direct government to a certain course of action. Dissolving government is done when it's blocked, and almost always at the request of the current head of government. However, if the Queen tried to start influencing local politics, the GG would be renamed 'president' and she'd be cut out of the picture.

Basically, the Queen maintains her power by not pissing off whichever rabble is currently in power in the parliaments of any of her countries.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Roughly half. The point is still valid and it's important not to disregard the momentum of that segment of the country

Nazism should be swiftly kicked in the ass whenever it rears itself. This is naked white supremacism. For as much bullshit as we've heard about political correctness, why not just come out and say this is straight up religious and racial discrimination?

The easy time to do this was the election. It is much harder to deal with now.

The president's Chief Strategist and Senior Counselor is a white nationalist, who used to run Breitbart.com, where there is a distinction made between white supremacists and white nationalists (I cannot explain the distinction, for I don't see one). A site all about how awful multiculturalism is, separation of races is necessary for the survival of a country, etc.

Without letting down your guard or concern, my advice is to moderate it with another possibility. The U.S. has much better insulation geographically than European countries, and a history that involves worse rhetoric and divisiveness and we've survived. There might be a pro where the whole world sees what even a little bit of white nationalism does to a country, and all those European countries flirting with their own far right nationalists, and have elections coming up soon, might just have an "OH FUCK NO" moment.

And that's probably better than if Europe were electing far right governments before the U.S. Europe has a history of conflagration. Maybe Europe gets cold feet and starts taking far right nationalist politics more seriously, and rejects it more concisely and clearly, at election time. It's much easier, safer, more stable, to squash this at an election.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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You think Donald will sell his stake in projects in Turkey?

What happens when some terrorist group makes the extremely tactically-obvious decision to attack the Trump Towers there? It's not like there's any shortage of US-hostile terrorists with the ability to reach Istanbul. (Honestly, what happens when any Trump property around the world gets attacked? They've got giant signs advertising that the president of the US cares about them, and they don't have anywhere near the pr…

It could be anything, right? The political environment in Turkey itself is not stable (hasn't been for quite some time now). There have also been multiple bombings in the country that citizens lost track of, and it became an ordinary part of life.

I don't want to speculate on how Trump might behave when it comes to his business now that he's the POTUS, but even without that, there are enough reasons for him to add Turkey to the list.

I think one of the few reasons it hasn't happened yet is probably because Incirlik base, but it's also been a long tension point between two countries.

Selfishly, I was hoping greencard holders would be exempt, and thinking we already go through thorough background check as part of the application, but it turned out futile.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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> "First they came for the Socialists..." Yep, and we are already all the way up to "arresting 6 journalists covering public protests against the unpopular ruler"

My understanding of that event is that protestors were starting fires and the police arrested 230 people near the incident. Of those 6 were journalists. I think that's somewhat different than police targeting journalists for their viewpoints, of which I don't see evidence.

You're right we are early into that event. It's still not clear how the arrest played out: (a) they were grabbed along with "rioters" and later turned out to be journalists on the side or (b) they were with media badges and video cameras clearly covering the riots on the ground, then still arrested as a sign of force. Sadly journalists get arrested relatively often, but it's important to insist that medics should be aimed at as rarely as possible, despite the heat of the moment.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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> executed with little to no foresight, warning, or serious consideration, with serious consequences I think it is easy to underestimate the ugliness and disorder such a reckless executive order can unleash unless you start to think about the details or put yourself in the shoes of the people affected. NBC News reports[0]: The Trump administration also has yet to issue guidance to airports and airlines on how to impl…

Up to this point, it has been possible for supporters and apologists to waive away his vague or careless remarks during the campaign as political rhetoric, jokes, or leverage for future negotiation. Now we start to see the mean (in every sense of the word) instinct that informed them and the harm they can do. If you poll this issue, you'll find at least 80% of Americans don't care how inconvenient our immigration pol…

>And a very large majority wants no immigration whatsoever from any of those nations affected nor from any of their neighbors save Israel.

American immigration policy towards Israelis is essentially the same as towards anyone else. My (Jewish Israeli) coworker from grad-school wanted to work for Google in Mountain View, but the company couldn't swing him a visa. He stayed at Technion to do a PhD.

He now says that he doesn't want to come to the USA with Trump in power.

You tell me how a Jewish Israeli computer scientist poses a threat to the United States. And if you think you can, be aware that I'm such a person, on top of being American, so you had better explain to me how I'm a foreign threat to my own home country.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented. HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

I remember people telling me incessantly that it was just about illegal immigration and trump really wasn't going to change legal immigration.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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> This is a temp 90-day ban on non-reciprocating countries (and countries of concern), which the FBI said they are not able to properly vet (because those countries will not provide background info on the applicant, and some other reasons). It only affects non-citizens. The EO affects ALL legal immigrants from these countries like H1B visa holders and Green Card holders too.

Looks like it also affects dual citizens of those countries as well. per http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38783512

I doubt it will affect anyone with a US passport at the border, but it's about time for the USA to adopt the Japanese policy and simply ban all dual citizenship. If you hold a foreign passport or any kind of documents from a foreign country for its citizens, your US citizenship should be revoked and you should be deported.
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