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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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It's so easy to see the outcome of these policies. Intolerance begats intolerance begats violence. There can be no other outcome other than an increase in violence, both domestic and international. And what will Trump do when the violence increases? He will whip the masses up with frenzied speeches and double-down on the executive orders to limit immigration. But the violence will not abate but will worsen. So finall…

And red hats.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not America that did this it's a minority of America. The rest of us feel like prisoners in our own country when faced with this kind of complete and utter insanity.

How is it a minority when 48% of voters elected him a few months ago?

Because the majority voted for Clinton.

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post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

There's already been a "tit-for-tat" response from Iran. US citizens are banned from travelling there.

Not like they made it easy before but still we can expect similar responses to the proposed 20% border tax with Mexico.

Edit Some people seem to think US citizens cannot visit Iran. From the horse's mouth:

https://twitter.com/JZarif/status/825439380806434816

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post #4

What's scary is the new immigration ban affects legal, permanent residents. US legal, permanent residents that have firmly rooted their lives in the US, only to be told they can't come home.

Overall, I don't see this as such a bad thing... But every major decision is going to have its outliers. This is a temp 90-day ban on non-reciprocating countries (and countries of concern), which the FBI said they are not able to properly vet (because those countries will not provide background info on the applicant, and some other reasons). It only affects non-citizens such as visitors, students, or employment visas…

Not all permanent residents are citizens. Also, it looks like it'll be made permanent unless that country can guarantee that every single person isn't a terrorist. Which seems impossible.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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post #22

Does the White House Petition website still work? I mean, I am surprised it is still up. Surely the new administration would A) not pay attention to it and B) simply scrap it to avoid maintaining it. As far as I understand, there is no legal requirement for the White House to even entertain the petitions.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_the_People_(petitioning_sys...

Yea I think continuing to use the wh petition site is futile at best and dangerous at worst, for reasons sibs point out. Would strongly disrecommed anyone from continuing to create, share or sign them.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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post #4

What's scary is the new immigration ban affects legal, permanent residents. US legal, permanent residents that have firmly rooted their lives in the US, only to be told they can't come home.

At this rate naturalized citizens will be next. And just remember that the US govt can already lock forever on terrorism charges.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

> executed with little to no foresight, warning, or serious consideration, with serious consequences

I think it is easy to underestimate the ugliness and disorder such a reckless executive order can unleash unless you start to think about the details or put yourself in the shoes of the people affected.

NBC News reports[0]:

The Trump administration also has yet to issue guidance to airports and airlines on how to implement the executive order. "Nobody has any idea what is going on," a senior Homeland Security official told NBC News.

As James Gleick put it on Twitter[1]:

And how was it communicated to Customs and Border Protection? Or have they just gone rogue?

And then there is the gross conflict-of-interest reflected in this map:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-immigration-ba...

The event marks a horrible landmark. It's the first time I can point to the tangible harmful impact of Trump's executive policy on actual people. Up to this point, it has been possible for supporters and apologists to waive away his vague or careless remarks during the campaign as political rhetoric, jokes, or leverage for future negotiation. Now we start to see the mean (in every sense of the word) instinct that informed them and the harm they can do.

[0] http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-travel-restrictions-...

[1] https://twitter.com/JamesGleick/status/825380079526146048

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