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Time to Take a Stand

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Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by refurb »

meritt wrote: post #220
general_ai wrote: post #100

First, it's not a "ban". It's a temporary suspension until new vetting procedures are put in place. Second, it's not "Muslim". Muslims from all other countries (some of them pretty large, e.g. Indonesia and Pakistan), will experience no change in their ability to enter the US. Other than Iran (which imo shouldn't be on the list) we're bombing and droning all of those countries at the moment. It's insane to accept mil…

> First, it's not a "ban". It's a temporary suspension until new vetting procedures are put in place. A 90-day suspension and a ban are the same thing. ban is defined as "officially or legally prohibit." -- duration is irrelevant. > Second, it's not "Muslim" The executive order specifically exempts people of minority religions in those countries "prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious…

You completely failed to address the OP's comment about the largest Muslim countries in the world (Indonesian and Pakistan) not being a part of the ban.

If Trump was targeting Muslims, wouldn't he have started there?

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by general_ai »

raverbashing wrote: post #208
general_ai wrote: post #100

First, it's not a "ban". It's a temporary suspension until new vetting procedures are put in place. Second, it's not "Muslim". Muslims from all other countries (some of them pretty large, e.g. Indonesia and Pakistan), will experience no change in their ability to enter the US. Other than Iran (which imo shouldn't be on the list) we're bombing and droning all of those countries at the moment. It's insane to accept mil…

> It's insane to accept military age males from there for entry into the country That's why there's a procedure for obtaining a visa. Individuals from those countries can only go to the US in possession of a visa

Yes, and US government is making changes to this procedure.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by naaaaak »

the8472 wrote: post #227
zeteo wrote: post #169

>1. Call 2. Participate 3. Share 4. Vote This is the same kind of bullshit that's lost Hillary the election and got us here in the first place. It might have worked in the '90s to get a gold medal for Rosa Parks. It will not work in 2017 to make Trump back off his core message. The problem here is not that your side isn't loud enough and can't get political attention for an issue. The problem is that the opposing sid…

> This is the same kind of bullshit that's lost Hillary the election and got us here in the first place. Wasn't low democrat turnout part of the problem?

Wasn't running the most corrupt, least trustworthy candidate who couldn't cite a single accomplishment in 30 years of public "self service" THE problem?

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by puzzle »

smacktoward wrote: post #121
apsec112 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many degrees of separation from Trump do you think people should go? "It goes without saying that if the people of Group X are staring at you demandingly, waiting for you to hate the right enemies with the right intensity, and ready to castigate you if you fail to castigate loudly enough, you may be hanging around the wrong group." - http://lesswrong.com/lw/42/tolerate_tolerance/

Thiel is not some distant nodding acquaintance of Trump's. He is a close advisor and Trump's lead point of contact with the tech community. So how many degrees of separation? Let's start with "more than one, please" and go from there.

Yeah, where IS Thiel?

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by [deleted] »

smacktoward wrote: post #121
apsec112 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many degrees of separation from Trump do you think people should go? "It goes without saying that if the people of Group X are staring at you demandingly, waiting for you to hate the right enemies with the right intensity, and ready to castigate you if you fail to castigate loudly enough, you may be hanging around the wrong group." - http://lesswrong.com/lw/42/tolerate_tolerance/

Thiel is not some distant nodding acquaintance of Trump's. He is a close advisor and Trump's lead point of contact with the tech community. So how many degrees of separation? Let's start with "more than one, please" and go from there.

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Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by deno »

ebola1717 wrote: post #89
patrickg_zill wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet we never heard from you during the years the Obama administration did the opposite... Syria is over 10% Christian, yet only 56 of the ~10K Syrians let into the country were Christian.

It took 2 seconds of googling to fact check you http://www.factcheck.org/2015/11/facts-about-the-syrian-refu...

Your source doesn’t dispute the accuracy of this number at all:

> Cruz is rounding up, but he is correct about the percentage of Christians among the Syrian refugees who have resettled in the United States.

> A total of 2,290 Syrian refugees have arrived in the United States since fiscal year 2011, which is when the Syrian civil war began, through Nov. 20, according to the State Department’s Refugee Processing Center. Of those, only 62 were identified in the center’s database as Christian. That’s 2.7 percent, even though the Christian population in Syria is about 10 percent, according to the CIA World Factbook.

All it says is that the UN stacked the pool, and Obama never challenged it.

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Post by dragonwriter »

Cyph0n wrote: post #142
oh_sigh wrote: post #111

Why do people call this a "Muslim ban", when most Muslims are unaffected by it? There are 200M Muslims in Indonesia who are unaffected, 180M Pakistani Muslims, 172M Indian Muslims, 150M Bangladeshi Muslims, 75M Nigerian Muslims, 75M Turkish Muslims, 73M Egyptian Muslims...all of these people are unaffected by this "Muslim ban"

OK, but they explicitly mentioned that non-Muslims from the target countries are exempt from the ban. What do you call that?

No, they (well, Trump specifically) announced that Christians (not "non-Muslims") would be given priority consideration ahead of other refugees.

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Post by 467568985476 »

ftrflyr wrote: post #214

I'm sorry, but you fail to understand exactly what the ACLU stands for - the first word says it all. American. Green Card holders, refugees, and illegal immigrants are not Americans. We need to and should protect Americans first. Period. For all of you who don't understand not agree with this, perhaps you are unamerican?

There's nothing more American than voicing your dissent. You are way off base here. You're also wrong about what the ACLU does.

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Post by SirensOfTitan »

geofft wrote: post #186
SirensOfTitan wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Anyone in a position of power who took a look at Trump and didn't recoil with disgust needs to be exiled from civil society. And this well represents the leftist-elitistic-rhetoric that drove so many to vote for Trump (HRC's "deplorables" comment). Five year olds say "I told you so," adults find reasonable pathways forward in difficult situations. People voted for and supported Trump for a variety of reasons, let's…

Five-year-olds don't commit genocide. Five-year-olds don't become tyrants. Five-year-olds don't deport people. Five-year-olds might say "I told you so," but they have a far better track record at the things that matter than adults. Maybe we should take a lesson from them.

I find your comment a bit bizarre. You ignored the point of my entire comment, instead deciding to focus on a meaningless portion of my metaphor and apply it to an equally meaningless point about how humans ought to be.

This comment becomes even more bizarre whenever my comment was about acceptance of everyone, including Trump supporters, which is in line with your tao of five year old here.

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