Time to Take a Stand • Hacker News Board

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by SirensOfTitan » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 7:21 PM UTC

jowiar wrote: post #11

This is meaningless grandstanding until: 1) YC voted Thiel off the island 2) YC establishes a policy of "take money from Thiel and you are toxic to us" Anyone in a position of power who took a look at Trump and didn't recoil with disgust needs to be exiled from civil society.

> Anyone in a position of power who took a look at Trump and didn't recoil with disgust needs to be exiled from civil society.

And this well represents the leftist-elitistic-rhetoric that drove so many to vote for Trump (HRC's "deplorables" comment).

Five year olds say "I told you so," adults find reasonable pathways forward in difficult situations.

People voted for and supported Trump for a variety of reasons, let's not generalize them all into one block like his administration is doing to Muslims.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by Cyph0n » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 7:22 PM UTC

oh_sigh wrote: post #111

Why do people call this a "Muslim ban", when most Muslims are unaffected by it? There are 200M Muslims in Indonesia who are unaffected, 180M Pakistani Muslims, 172M Indian Muslims, 150M Bangladeshi Muslims, 75M Nigerian Muslims, 75M Turkish Muslims, 73M Egyptian Muslims...all of these people are unaffected by this "Muslim ban"

OK, but they explicitly mentioned that non-Muslims from the target countries are exempt from the ban. What do you call that?

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by manish_gill » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 7:22 PM UTC

A majority of his voters did vote for Trump because they support his views on immigration. It's why they voted for him. To deny that is to simply deny reality just like Trump does on a daily basis.

Honest question - What will statements by tech CEOs do? Trump has a mandate given to him by the people of your country against the very elites this post is appealing to. The politicians are with him because they want to keep their power.

And am I misremembering all these powerful tech CEOs went grovelling to meet Trump and hoping to have a foot in the door with the new administration with Thiel?

These are turbulent times.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by woofyman » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 7:22 PM UTC

rfrank wrote: post #87

jacquesm wrote: post #38

The time to take stand was 3 months ago. Things will get a lot worse now before they can get better and no amount of blogging is going to change that. Trump is hell bent on destroying America from within and his followers (who we are not supposed to criticize) are A-Ok with that. Soon to be seen in a theater near you in Europe as well.

Criticize them all you want, but keep in mind your goal. Do you care about changing their minds, political/social polarization in the US, etc? If so, criticizing them would be a very stupid thing to do. Especially considering the GOP is the strongest its been from a local to national level since the 1920s.

You can't change a closed mind. Trump can say the sky is green and his followers will agree.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by ebola1717 » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 7:22 PM UTC

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #27

jowiar wrote: post #11

This is meaningless grandstanding until: 1) YC voted Thiel off the island 2) YC establishes a policy of "take money from Thiel and you are toxic to us" Anyone in a position of power who took a look at Trump and didn't recoil with disgust needs to be exiled from civil society.

>Anyone in a position of power who took a look at Trump and didn't recoil with disgust needs to be exiled from civil society. I don't like Trump, but fighting him isn't worth going against the very principles we fight for. People have a right to their beliefs, even if their beliefs are stupid. If not, than what kind of country are we?

Thiel donated $1.25 MILLION to the Trump campaign. This isn't holding him accountable for his "beliefs" or even his "speech" - this is holding him accountable for helping to cause this mess we're in.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by docdeek » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 7:22 PM UTC

oh_sigh wrote: post #111

Why do people call this a "Muslim ban", when most Muslims are unaffected by it? There are 200M Muslims in Indonesia who are unaffected, 180M Pakistani Muslims, 172M Indian Muslims, 150M Bangladeshi Muslims, 75M Nigerian Muslims, 75M Turkish Muslims, 73M Egyptian Muslims...all of these people are unaffected by this "Muslim ban"

Exactly. Vast majority of the world's Muslims are not affected by the new rules.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by intrasight » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 7:22 PM UTC

Trump is not really a "Republican" and the real Republicans don't know how to handle him. What is sad is that it would only take two Republican senators taking a stand to block his legislative agenda. How more outrageous does he have to be before we get two such senators.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by mars4rp » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 7:23 PM UTC

nthitz wrote: post #21

mcenedella wrote: post #12

"The executive order… is tantamount to a Muslim ban" isn't quite true. Islam by country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country 1. Indonesia 2. Pakistan 3. India 4. Bangladesh 5. Nigeria 6. Iran 7. Turkey 8. Egypt 9. Algeria 10. Sudan It's probably not a great tactic to perpetuate the American habit for making sweeping comments about the rest of the world which aren't really grounded in truth. Might be best to…

The only people the ban will affect will be Muslim people though.

That is not true! My non muslim, citizen brother can't bring in her fiance from Italy because she is Iranian !

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by kasey_junk » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 7:23 PM UTC

ryanx435 wrote: post #133

kasey_junk wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure of any nominal principle that says we have to do business with, work for or to invite to things people who behave abhorrently. That Thiel can get a table at a restaurant in SV proves all the talk about changing the world tech leaders do is so much nonsense.

It's crazy that you can't see how hypocritical you are: you ate literally saying that restaurants shouls ban thiel because he supports a person who bans people. Look in a mirror once in a while, buddy

There is a significant difference between voluntary association and compulsory exclusion through use of force.

It's not even partially hypocritical to claim one is ok & the other isn't.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by yks » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 7:23 PM UTC

qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #27

jowiar wrote: post #11

This is meaningless grandstanding until: 1) YC voted Thiel off the island 2) YC establishes a policy of "take money from Thiel and you are toxic to us" Anyone in a position of power who took a look at Trump and didn't recoil with disgust needs to be exiled from civil society.

>Anyone in a position of power who took a look at Trump and didn't recoil with disgust needs to be exiled from civil society. I don't like Trump, but fighting him isn't worth going against the very principles we fight for. People have a right to their beliefs, even if their beliefs are stupid. If not, than what kind of country are we?

DJT and his associates hint that only a subset of the population have a right to their beliefs, others should keep their mouths shut. That seems like a problem worth going against and it may become acute rather sooner than later.