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Resilient cooperators stabilize long-run cooperation in Prisoner’s Dilemma

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Re: Resilient cooperators stabilize long-run cooperation in Prisoner’s Dilemma

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Post by andybak »

Ninjalicious wrote: post #4

I didn't read the article but the headline makes me postulate that this is because the optimal individual strategy in Prisoner's Dilemma is tit-for-tat. Respond in kind to every action taken against you. If someone offends, attack, if they offer peace, be peaceful. Nice people will more often offer the olive branch (sub-optimally), so anyone else playing the optimal strategy will offer it back. Over time this probabl…

A strategy that could beat tit-for-tat consistently was discovered* but tit-for-tat is still fascinating because it is incredibly simple and is almost the optimal strategy.

( * I think it's this: https://sciencehouse.wordpress.com/2012/09/04/a-new-strategy... )

Re: Resilient cooperators stabilize long-run cooperation in Prisoner’s Dilemma

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Post by andybak »

coderdude wrote: post #9

looks at TV selling me various pocket knives reads a bunch of people who think they know what they're talking about Is there a place in between for those who don't care about armchair intellectuals? I just want to know. Because a whole lot of basically retards made HN their new home so I'm curious. I'm the only person who noticed, I'm sure.

Maybe stick around here but don't click on things that don't interest you?

I think the Prisoner's Dilemma is one of the most interesting abstract ideas I've come across and it feeds into my thoughts about morality and human society. My interest in it is because I think it matters

I fully admit that I probably "don't know what I'm talking about" but it's not for want of trying. My interest is sincere. Is your cynicism?

Re: Resilient cooperators stabilize long-run cooperation in Prisoner’s Dilemma

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Post by coderdude »

andybak wrote: post #12
coderdude wrote: post #9

looks at TV selling me various pocket knives reads a bunch of people who think they know what they're talking about Is there a place in between for those who don't care about armchair intellectuals? I just want to know. Because a whole lot of basically retards made HN their new home so I'm curious. I'm the only person who noticed, I'm sure.

Maybe stick around here but don't click on things that don't interest you? I think the Prisoner's Dilemma is one of the most interesting abstract ideas I've come across and it feeds into my thoughts about morality and human society. My interest in it is because I think it matters I fully admit that I probably "don't know what I'm talking about" but it's not for want of trying. My interest is sincere. Is your cynicism…

I don't think you're the target of my cynicism. I think you're a dick.

Re: Resilient cooperators stabilize long-run cooperation in Prisoner’s Dilemma

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Post by andybak »

coderdude wrote: post #13
andybak wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe stick around here but don't click on things that don't interest you? I think the Prisoner's Dilemma is one of the most interesting abstract ideas I've come across and it feeds into my thoughts about morality and human society. My interest in it is because I think it matters I fully admit that I probably "don't know what I'm talking about" but it's not for want of trying. My interest is sincere. Is your cynicism…

I don't think you're the target of my cynicism. I think you're a dick.

I still stand by my criticism of your cynicism. It was pointless sneering. Either ignore people or educate them.

Re: Resilient cooperators stabilize long-run cooperation in Prisoner’s Dilemma

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Post by Ninjalicious »

andybak wrote: post #11
Ninjalicious wrote: post #4

I didn't read the article but the headline makes me postulate that this is because the optimal individual strategy in Prisoner's Dilemma is tit-for-tat. Respond in kind to every action taken against you. If someone offends, attack, if they offer peace, be peaceful. Nice people will more often offer the olive branch (sub-optimally), so anyone else playing the optimal strategy will offer it back. Over time this probabl…

A strategy that could beat tit-for-tat consistently was discovered* but tit-for-tat is still fascinating because it is incredibly simple and is almost the optimal strategy. ( * I think it's this: https://sciencehouse.wordpress.com/2012/09/04/a-new-strategy... )

People get mad when you don't read the article.

Re: Resilient cooperators stabilize long-run cooperation in Prisoner’s Dilemma

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Post by saycheese »

sinan_si wrote: post #16

Similar research to whom anyone interested in these topics : https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303656078_The_Dose_...

Resilent cooperation is intentional, but cooperating based on a lack of memory is not - guess the question is if it matters if the source of constant behavior matters, and if so, why?

Re: Resilient cooperators stabilize long-run cooperation in Prisoner’s Dilemma

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Post by saycheese »

Ninjalicious wrote: post #17
andybak wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A strategy that could beat tit-for-tat consistently was discovered* but tit-for-tat is still fascinating because it is incredibly simple and is almost the optimal strategy. ( * I think it's this: https://sciencehouse.wordpress.com/2012/09/04/a-new-strategy... )

People get mad when you don't read the article.

(People get mad when you say you didn't read the article, especially in the first sentence; that is they read that, downvote, and don't read the comment.)

Re: Resilient cooperators stabilize long-run cooperation in Prisoner’s Dilemma

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Post by visarga »

MarkMc wrote: post #5

It seems to me that in countries with systemic corruption there is a huge game of prisoner's dilemma being played, with everyone making the 'wrong' decision. Here's a fascinating quote from a book about Kenyan graft [1]: -------------------- Where does each individual draw the limits of his or her compassion, beyond which duties of kindness, generosity and personal obligation no longer apply? I was raised in a househ…

Great post and wonderfully illustrated!

The prisoner dilemma also ties into the tragedy of the commons: when multiple players decide to defect and exploit the commons to the fullest, then commons lose their value for all.

It is also related to temporal discounting - we prefer to pollute today and ignore the price tag we will face in the future.

We know so much about game theory yet we can't apply it in politics, because it requires long-term thinking and optimizing for the success of everyone as opposed to just a few. And we're in a point where words don't mean as much, we're flooded with propaganda from all sides and can't speak reason over the cacophony.

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