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Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by syshum »

ngokevin wrote: post #151
otakucode wrote: post #148

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It would except the user interface will be stripped so bare you can't actually have more than a dozen or so pages open at once! I know there are many people in the same position as me. They open a lot of tabs. When Google killed off vertical side tabs (which were only ever a hidden option you had to enable manually anyway), they went back to Firefox. And now Firefox is taking the vertical side tabs out in the street…

https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tab-center/

this link keeps posting this link

1. No that is not a Replacement for TreeStyle Tabs, far from it

2. It uses XUL as well and will be killed in 57 unless new API;s are made

this link is not the solution to the Extensions problem we are complaining about

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by syshum »

tmikaeld wrote: post #158
ngokevin wrote: post #151

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https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tab-center/

Wow, I actually like all of those features. Really hope they get implemented into the stable version!

It wont, it is already deprecated the the Dev is already saying devolvement will already stop soon

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by syshum »

yoasif_ wrote: post #144
abeyer wrote: post #142

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I agree, perhaps that's more about the brand than the product per se. But in a market where you have to convince your users to replace the pre-installed browser that more or less works pretty well already with your alternative implementation, it seems like brand perception is a pretty important thing. And while a community like HN might not be accurately representative of users at large, it does tend to have a dispro…

> But in a market where you have to convince your users to replace the pre-installed browser that more or less works pretty well already with your alternative implementation, it seems like brand perception is a pretty important thing. Yes, but now we're talking about people who (likely) moved to Chrome because it just felt so darned snappy, not because it had great extensions (it didn't) -- or just had Chrome preinst…

>>Yes, but now we're talking about people who (likely) moved to Chrome because it just felt so darned snappy,

I think you confuse why people move to chrome over IE on windows. The normal every day user uses chrome for 1 of 3 reasons

1. They hit upon a chrome ad today or years ago when Google was heavily advertising chrome even when you searched now that is their browser and they stick with it

2. A person that works on, setups, or services their computer installed it

3. They are heavily in the Google Eco System and want all of the features and conveniences that come with using Chrome with google account (bookmark sync, alerts, hangouts, etc)

None of which has anything to do with Chrome's or firefox's speed, or security.

None of which Firefox can overcome or change by removing functionality.

People that use FF today generally fall into 2 groups. People concerned with Privacy, and people that want functionality that the other browsers do not offer

FF is rejecting 50% of their user base with move.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by Illniyar »

yoasif_ wrote: post #122
syshum wrote: post #117

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>>Clearly, that has something to do with either security or performance, where Firefox has a perceived lag. This is completely false It has something to do with MARKETING and the fact the Google is largest marketing company in the world and has the ability to market chrome far far far more effectively than Firefox IE is crap, so Windows users seek a replacement for IE, use to their only option was Firefox. Once Chrom…

> They they take away my TreeStyle Tabs and a few other Extensions I dont care how much faster it is, FF will be removed my all my systems This is what I don't understand. What would you use instead? Do you see another vendor attempting to recreate XUL-like extensions? Built in functionality like the stuff in Vivaldi doesn't count, since those aren't extensions.

Personally, for me, I'll just stop updating firfox until someone makes treestyletabs again (chrome or firefox, or edge, doesn't matter to me).

Security be damned

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by syshum »

ngokevin wrote: post #152
syshum wrote: post #69

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Yes Verizon must honor the Contract, all contracts, Yahoo committed to, that is standard That contract however I believe was for 5 years, I am talking about what happens after the 5 years is over, which I believe will be in 2019 or 2020. After which Verizon has no contractual obligation to continue paying Mozilla for anything and likely will cease the partnership

That's not the point. There's a poison pill in the contract. Mozilla can walk out of the existing contract, get all of the money in lump sum, and sign with another search partner (while still being paid by Verizon). There are other search engines waiting in line, Mozilla's not married to Verizon.

>>There are other search engines waiting in line, Mozilla's not married to Verizon.

Who?? I know of none

MS will never support Firefox, They want people to use Edge.

DuckDuckGo do not have the cash to do it.

Google has the market share and does not need FF anymore that is why they dropped them

So Who....

>>That's not the point.

Actually it is the point, by 2020 Mozilla's IMO mozilla revenue stream will dry up, they need to find a way to survive with out the Search money. This is why they are taking these risky moves which IMO are doomed to fail.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by syshum »

buovjaga wrote: post #160
jhlgkhkhil wrote: post #155

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Does that do collapsible tree structures of tabs? Does that allow me to bookmark a whole tree and reload it later? Can that auto hide and auto reveal? Or is it a shitter half copy of tree style tabs that will never actually be released because it would "confuse normal users". I'm not a normal user I don't want a crippled product. Normal users use Edge, Safari, IE or Chrome anyway. They won't use Firefox because it do…

No, it won't do trees: https://github.com/bwinton/TabCenter/issues/498 But I found this: https://github.com/bwinton/TabCenter/issues/868 "I've been talking with the people implementing WebExtensions for a while now, and they are committed to adding the APIs necessary to support something like TabCenter (or TreeStyle Tabs, or any of the other side-tabs add-ons). I don't know their final timeline, but I would be very s…

anything "can" be ported once mozilla creates a API, even TreeStyle

The point is there is no API to do it today, and unlike the dev I do not believe the new API;s will be in 57, I see no evidence to support such a claim.

Further if you continue to read on the issue, you see the developer has clearly said this is an expermint that will never be mainlined and development will likely stop

"Having said all that, it's likely that at some point in the future, TabCenter will no longer be developed, and at that point, we'll recommend people switch to one of the other side-tabs add-ons."

he continues

"TabCenter isn't something that will live forever."

So no TabCenter is not a replacement for TreeStyle, and never will be

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by superflyguy »

a3n wrote: post #55
IChrisI wrote: post #35

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It sounds like Tree-style Tabs will stop working then as well. That will be a sad day. Tree-style Tabs and some form of mouse gestures are pretty much all I need.

I won't need either of those, but this is a major part of why I like Firefox, each person can make it their own. These in particular make Firefox my own (your Firefox is not my firefox, but your firefox is OK), and I will be sad if they disappear without replacement: Disable Style Button https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disable-style... Disconnect https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disconnec…

The only plugin I really care about is ublock origin. If that stays, I'll keep ff otherwise I'll go back to chrome. I suppose there's no way of knowing whether a given plug in is possible in future without having access to the source.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by sjellis »

Personally, I use Firefox because Mozilla is a non-profit organization with a mandate to support a free and open Internet, which includes protecting the privacy of Internet users. That sounds like very fine words, but they do the technical work to make these things happen, such as their collaboration with the Tor project: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-heart-firefox

I use Chrome as well, but ultimately Chrome belongs to Google, just as Edge and Safari belong to rival corporations. Using a corporate Web browser is a reasonable choice, but it's not something that I would do for UI reasons.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by mschuster91 »

st3fan wrote: post #80
mschuster91 wrote: post #79

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Because it syncs with my desktop Chrome install and especially the password manager. If there's one thing that sucks it's typing secure passwords into a phone.

Mobile Firefox syncs too. For years.

That does not help if you're using Chrome as your main browser, there's no cross-synchronization. Which I do because it's just way faster, and especially rogue tabs can't shoot down the entire browser including its UI.

e10s might be the thing that could save FF, but I fear that it's way too late.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by JeremyNT »

thezilch wrote: post #108
st3fan wrote: post #65

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> Almost nobody runs mobile Firefox, so that turned out not to matter much Well. The number of installs of Firefox for Android is a nine-digit number. Depending on your perspective that can be thought of as a big or small number. But it certainly is not "nobody".

Most or all stats will show mobile FF browsing usage at about IE6 levels, and I don't think you'll find anyone caring much for the later market any longer. We [web developers] owe a lot to FF, Firebug, etc, but the writings on the wall for mobile and desktop. Chrome is going to have to screw up really bad, and likewise for the base installs of IE/Edge and Safari. These days, I'm more likely to suggest Brave over FF,…

If you [web developers] ignore mobile Firefox, you do all of us a disservice. Having a choice of browsers on mobile is important to me; Firefox is one way on Android you can avoid being fully locked in to Google's ecosystem and a crucial piece of the puzzle for anybody who wants a Google free Android device.

I understand business realities, and why Firefox mobile would rate a lower priority than many browsers. But I think competition in this space is incredibly important and I urge you not to ignore us [Firefox mobile users] completely.

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