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Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by shioyama »

williamscales wrote: post #32

This is going to kill pentadactyl, which is currently the only reason I'm using Firefox. For those who aren't familiar, pentadactyl is a Firefox extension that transforms the user interface to make it more minimal and vim-like. You get to use standard vim bindings to navigate the web and it even gives you a vim-like command line interface to the browser's functionality.

Give Qutebrowser a try (with the WebEngine backend): https://www.qutebrowser.org/

I switched from pentadactyl a while back and never looked back.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by syshum »

gukov wrote: post #50
a3n wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Firefox 57 will like see me stop using FireFox it will be no different than chrome so I might as well just use chrome Firefox probably won't phone google.

1. Moz://a is paid millions by Google so that they're the default search engine in Firefox 2. Firefox just became a little bit more like Chrome, at least as far as some of its users here are concerned Google has been slowly consuming Firefox, so don't be surprised if any phoning home is happening.

>>Moz://a is paid millions by Google so that they're the default search engine in Firefox

That has not been the case for a few years(2012? or 2013 I believe), Yahoo is currently the Default Search and pays the bulk of Mozilla budget, With the Verizon Deal Mozilla is likely worried that will change when the contract is up for renewal

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by swhipple »

a3n wrote: post #38
williamscales wrote: post #32

This is going to kill pentadactyl, which is currently the only reason I'm using Firefox. For those who aren't familiar, pentadactyl is a Firefox extension that transforms the user interface to make it more minimal and vim-like. You get to use standard vim bindings to navigate the web and it even gives you a vim-like command line interface to the browser's functionality.

I sympathize. For those who don't mind, or prefer, a less comprehensive vim experience in the browser, I'm very happy with VimFx https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vimfx/ It has a ton of vim commands, but I only use hjkl, g and gg. I never can remember whether search with / comes via VimFx or plain FF. Firefox says it's compatible with multiprocess, but I don't know if it will survive through the switch t…

There's currently a feature freeze and plan to switch to WebExtension after the necessary APIs are added to Firefox: https://github.com/akhodakivskiy/VimFx/issues/860

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

#54

Post by mindcrime »

Sad, but hardly unexpected. The truth is, the mozilla leadership has never had much vision. In the early days of Seamonkey (and then Firefox) there was a slavish devotion to chasing Internet Explorer, and far too much rationalization of feature selection based on "IE has it" or "but IE doesn't support that." Later, with the ascension of Chrome, Firefox began to try and mimic Chrome the same way.

Other than MathML support, I'm having a hard time thinking of anything truly unique about Firefox, as compared to Chrome these days.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by a3n »

IChrisI wrote: post #35
guelo wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Classic Theme Restorer page says "CTR will stop working on Firefox 57 (release) when Mozilla drops support for XUL / XPCOM / legacy add-ons, but it will still work on Firefox 52 ESR until Firefox 59 ESR replaces it in 2018 (~Q2)."

It sounds like Tree-style Tabs will stop working then as well. That will be a sad day. Tree-style Tabs and some form of mouse gestures are pretty much all I need.

I won't need either of those, but this is a major part of why I like Firefox, each person can make it their own.

These in particular make Firefox my own (your Firefox is not my firefox, but your firefox is OK), and I will be sad if they disappear without replacement:

Disable Style Button https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disable-style...

Disconnect https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disconnect/

Flash Control https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flash-control...

Ghostery https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ghostery/

It's All Text https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/its-all-text/

LastPass https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lastpass-pass...

One Tab https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/onetab/

Pinboard https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/pinboard-exte...

Privacy Badger https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/privacy-badge...

Suspend Tab https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/suspend-tab/

uBlock Origin https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin...

Uppity https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/uppity/

VimFX https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vimfx/

I have a few others which aren't much important to me, but these make FF my own.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by ngokevin »

syshum wrote: post #52
gukov wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Moz://a is paid millions by Google so that they're the default search engine in Firefox 2. Firefox just became a little bit more like Chrome, at least as far as some of its users here are concerned Google has been slowly consuming Firefox, so don't be surprised if any phoning home is happening.

>>Moz://a is paid millions by Google so that they're the default search engine in Firefox That has not been the case for a few years(2012? or 2013 I believe), Yahoo is currently the Default Search and pays the bulk of Mozilla budget, With the Verizon Deal Mozilla is likely worried that will change when the contract is up for renewal

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3099804/it-industry/ver...

> Verizon must pay even if Mozilla walks from Yahoo search deal

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by marcosdumay »

syshum wrote: post #42
a3n wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Firefox 57 will like see me stop using FireFox it will be no different than chrome so I might as well just use chrome Firefox probably won't phone google.

Yea that is not a concern for me... I am logged in to Google services all the time anyway and I have a Android Phone sitting 3 ins from my computer. I use Firefox for a few Productivity Extensions that will likely stop working in 57, as such there is no reason for me to continue to use FireFox.

Just today I was unable to access a modem configuration site (at http://192.168.1.1) with Chrome, because without internet it couldn't phone Google to decide wether to use it as an address or a search term.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by zerocrates »

Animats wrote: post #45

Firefox has three APIs: XUL, Jetpack, and WebExtensions. XUL has been on the way out for years, and never worked in mobile Firefox anyway. (Almost nobody runs mobile Firefox, so that turned out not to matter much.) Jetpack was introduced in 2013, and by 2014, it was actually usable. It's not clear when and whether Jetpack add-ons will stop working. Mozilla's developer documentation is so confused that you can't tell.…

> The trouble with Firefox chasing Google Chrome compatibility is that, once they get there, Google will probably change something so some Google service is essential to an add-on.

I'd be more concerned that, once they get to Chrome compatibility, they've simply sacrificed one of the key things that differentiates them from Chrome. Firefox's die-hard adherents use extensions heavily, and many of the most popular, particularly those that are on Firefox and not elsewhere, depend on the old XUL layer or other APIs that have no replacement.

I don't think users are going to see it as a great improvement that they have access to Chrome extensions they didn't want in the first place. Instead they're going to focus on the fact that they're losing the functionality that's been keeping them using Firefox.

I don't think you'll need Google to act maliciously or really do anything at all to have this end poorly for Mozilla.

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by akjainaj »

Heh. Funny that I just updated to Firefox Developer Edition 53 and now Tree Style Tab (one of the addons that will go when XUL stuff does) has severe theming issues and weird flickers.

It'd be nice if a mod could change the title to "I cannot continue working on my Firefox add-ons"

Re: I cannot continue working on my add-ons

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Post by aembleton »

elpocko wrote: post #28

I'm only sticking to Firefox because there's a specific set of extensions I want to keep using. If only one of my key extensions breaks, my last reason to use Firefox vanishes, and I will immediately switch to Chromium/Iridium and never come back.

Same here, if tree style tabs stop working then I'm off to Vivaldi.
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