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Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by bangonkeyboard »

WildUtah wrote: post #12
jclardy wrote: post #10

Makes sense with Apple's current terrible product line setup. Both the retina MacBook and 2016 MacBook Pro are much more niche than their last generation. Also much more confusing as the MacBook Air successor is $500 more than the 13" Air was (The non-touchbar MacBook Pro is the spiritual successor to the air.) The true 13" Pro for 2016 is also $500 more than the last gen. The 12" MacBook is there...but it is a super…

Mostly you're straight on, but the latest iMacs are among the best desktop PCs ever built. And they're still a good deal.

They're desktop PCs with midrange mobile GPUs and mobile RAM in an aging design so thermally compromised for the sake of thinness that it throttles the CPU and GPU at the first sign of either one approaching load while the revving fan efficiently draws in dust from its environment and deposits it irremovably onto the inside of the LCD.

Fantastic display panel, though.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by tekklloneer »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #44
jclardy wrote: post #10

Makes sense with Apple's current terrible product line setup. Both the retina MacBook and 2016 MacBook Pro are much more niche than their last generation. Also much more confusing as the MacBook Air successor is $500 more than the 13" Air was (The non-touchbar MacBook Pro is the spiritual successor to the air.) The true 13" Pro for 2016 is also $500 more than the last gen. The 12" MacBook is there...but it is a super…

The Dell Alienware is so much better value. Amazing keyboard, run any game you like, super fast. I don't care about Win10 either way. It unlocks with facial recognition. It weighs more than my car (but I leave it on my desk 99% of the time) I just couldn't justify buying an Apple, as much as I wanted one. [edit] how the hell do I keep getting down voted for voicing my opinion? Lol. Nope. You're opinion is wrong, lose…

The flip side is that I needed a laptop to take with me to events, so I got a $750 dell xps13. If I were a college student, I'd be eyeing the $1200 version extremely hard versus an equivalent specced macbook pro at $1700

Or, the $750 version (which is what I have) versus a $1000 macbook that's significantly less powerful.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by potatosoup »

Kevin_S wrote: post #49

Just wanted to add an opinion you don't see as much here, as a non-developer. It's not just developers who are pretty upset about the new Macbook, myself and my fiance were both in the market, and my fiance used a MBP through college. She pretty much fought me on the new MBP until she tried it in store, and promptly was against it. She's going with a Surfacebook and I'll probably go with the new Dell XPS 15 with the…

What was she actually against in the new MBP? (New MBP user myself, don't like the touch bar, but otherwise a fine machine.)

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

supernovae wrote: post #45
ComputerGuru wrote: post #19

The biggest problem that Apple is creating for itself is not one that is being discussed directly in most of these threads: it's not about the loss in Mac sales, which they clearly don't give a damn about. It's the exodus of producers from their platform. Think about it. For those of you that were Mac fans before the iPhone and before it was cool to be so, who else do you know that used a Mac? Forget why, just who? T…

Microsoft didn't ditch "metro".. its just UWP.. they were sued because metro was apparently copyrighted. UWP is good.. wish devs would embrace it but to be honest, the dev community is up the asses of iOS so deep they can't see the forrest form the trees.. Windows 10 has 400million + users and growing and Xbox One has 25 million devices... come on devs.. write some (good) apps please! C# is actually kind of fun too

UWP takes away a lot from the platform though, like compilation via the DLR, and deploying can take an hour or so of building (I went through a nightmare experience trying to demo on a surfacehub, worked in the end, but damn). I want to like it (Win2D in particular is nice for my needs), but the execution has been lacking.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

bostand wrote: post #2

Given the CES announcements from Lenovo, Samsung and asus I can only assume 2017 will be even worse for Apple. Laptop with 25 hrs battery? Give me two please!

And yet no one but Apple can seem to make a decent track pad (even for windows). It's a show stopper for me whenever I think of moving back to a PC.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by thesumofall »

I think the good news here is that PC and Mac are back on par again. Even for demanding users of mainstream use cases (office, development, ...) both platforms offer great products.

Personally, I have an MacBook Air 13" at home and a Lenovo X1 Carbon at work. Both have their unique strengths and weaknesses but they are both great laptops. Windows has done a great leap forward as has PC hardware. If I were in the market today I would really struggle to make up my mind which one it should be.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by astrodust »

bangonkeyboard wrote: post #51
WildUtah wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mostly you're straight on, but the latest iMacs are among the best desktop PCs ever built. And they're still a good deal.

They're desktop PCs with midrange mobile GPUs and mobile RAM in an aging design so thermally compromised for the sake of thinness that it throttles the CPU and GPU at the first sign of either one approaching load while the revving fan efficiently draws in dust from its environment and deposits it irremovably onto the inside of the LCD. Fantastic display panel, though.

> Fantastic display panel, though.

That's why people buy them. It's not for the fastest CPU, it's definitely not for the GPU.

It's because it has a fast enough CPU, a good enough GPU and goes all-in on the display.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by rigden33 »

jclardy wrote: post #37
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? No, Apple's entry-level laptop is the $999 MacBook Air 13″, which has an i5. The 11″ MacBook Air was discontinued, but the 13″ is still around.

It is, but should we really count a laptop with a horrible looking TN panel, 1440x900 resolution, and a processor two generations behind that costs $1k to be a viable option for people? That laptop should cost $700 max in 2017. The only reason they have it is likely for education sales, since they have no other reasonable laptop right now.

Yes, why wouldn't we count it? It's an entry level laptop for a reason; it's going to have entry-level specs.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by radicalbyte »

CaptSpify wrote: post #42
radicalbyte wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just bought an ASUS ZenBook with m3 and super high res screen for my wife. The keyboard feels similar to my MBP13R. Much better than my 3k Dell. Really nice little machine, blows the Air away and is a steal at 650 EUR (~400 USD using Apple's exchange rates).

Is this the keyboard: http://www.asus.com/zenbook/_img/home/computer02.jpg ? I'm not OP, but I'm personally wanting one like this: https://senk9.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/thinkpad-x230-keyb...

Yeah, that's it. Same as the MBP.

I personally just use a proper mechanical keyboard if I'm typing for any kind of time. Same thing with mouse/touchpad.

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