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Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by IshKebab »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #19

The biggest problem that Apple is creating for itself is not one that is being discussed directly in most of these threads: it's not about the loss in Mac sales, which they clearly don't give a damn about. It's the exodus of producers from their platform. Think about it. For those of you that were Mac fans before the iPhone and before it was cool to be so, who else do you know that used a Mac? Forget why, just who? T…

Yeah the problem is the "creatives use Macs" thing was really a holdover from when Macs actually were better than PCs at 'creative stuff'. A lot of creative software used to only run on Macs. Today everything runs everywhere and there's really no real reason for creatives to prefer Macs. Maybe the colour correction is better on Macs? I bet it works fine on Windows too really though.

The truth is Apple didn't give up on creatives; Microsoft just caught up.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by CaptSpify »

radicalbyte wrote: post #21
hkmurakami wrote: post #7

Are there any models from Lenovo/Dell/HP that have a good keyboard (obviously there is some subjectivity here)? If Lenovo made a model with the thinkpad keyboard from 10 years ago, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

I just bought an ASUS ZenBook with m3 and super high res screen for my wife. The keyboard feels similar to my MBP13R. Much better than my 3k Dell. Really nice little machine, blows the Air away and is a steal at 650 EUR (~400 USD using Apple's exchange rates).

Is this the keyboard: http://www.asus.com/zenbook/_img/home/computer02.jpg ?

I'm not OP, but I'm personally wanting one like this: https://senk9.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/thinkpad-x230-keyb...

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by jplasmeier »

tqkxzugoaupvwqr wrote: post #22
jplasmeier wrote: post #8

I can't wait to retire my 2013 MBA and set it aside with my OEM 8800GT (nVidia's iconic desktop GPU). Both represented the best combination of tradeoffs with the tech that was available at the time at a price point that led to ubiquity. I'm not sure what my next portable computer will be, but if I want it to fit into that criteria of iconic hardware, I doubt it will be an Apple computer.

If you would like to stay on macOS, buy a used MacBook (Pro). Some owners treat their MacBook (Pro) like a jewel. Even one or two years old ones can look like new. Performance-wise they are still great compared to the latest siblings. A week ago I bought a MacBook Pro 15" (Mid 2014) with 512 GB SSD and dedicated graphics chip. I can drive two external 4K displays at 5120x2880 (looks like 2560x1440) and the internal d…

That's true, but there isn't enough value in macOS for me to justify buying old hardware, especially moving forward.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by monk_e_boy »

jclardy wrote: post #10

Makes sense with Apple's current terrible product line setup. Both the retina MacBook and 2016 MacBook Pro are much more niche than their last generation. Also much more confusing as the MacBook Air successor is $500 more than the 13" Air was (The non-touchbar MacBook Pro is the spiritual successor to the air.) The true 13" Pro for 2016 is also $500 more than the last gen. The 12" MacBook is there...but it is a super…

The Dell Alienware is so much better value. Amazing keyboard, run any game you like, super fast. I don't care about Win10 either way. It unlocks with facial recognition. It weighs more than my car (but I leave it on my desk 99% of the time)

I just couldn't justify buying an Apple, as much as I wanted one.

[edit] how the hell do I keep getting down voted for voicing my opinion? Lol. Nope. You're opinion is wrong, lose a point!

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by supernovae »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #19

The biggest problem that Apple is creating for itself is not one that is being discussed directly in most of these threads: it's not about the loss in Mac sales, which they clearly don't give a damn about. It's the exodus of producers from their platform. Think about it. For those of you that were Mac fans before the iPhone and before it was cool to be so, who else do you know that used a Mac? Forget why, just who? T…

Microsoft didn't ditch "metro".. its just UWP.. they were sued because metro was apparently copyrighted. UWP is good.. wish devs would embrace it but to be honest, the dev community is up the asses of iOS so deep they can't see the forrest form the trees.. Windows 10 has 400million + users and growing and Xbox One has 25 million devices... come on devs.. write some (good) apps please!

C# is actually kind of fun too

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by aczerepinski »

I really like developing on my 13" pro from a couple years ago. I like it significantly more than my higher spec 15" pro from work. The light weight and small form factor are key, and obviously I can plug it into a monitor or two when I'm actually at my desk.

I hope Apple thinks of someone like me when deciding the specs of the next super light Macbook. Keep the low entry point for students, and offer a premium build for developers and others who can justify it.

If they don't nail it, I'm open to other OSs, but I do care about aesthetics which Apple used to have a monopoly on.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by kalid »

velodrome wrote: post #11

Has anyone here used the MBP touchbar on a daily basis? Does it improve productivity or is it just a gimmick?

I was skeptical at first but now really like it.

* Can quickly ("analog-y") adjust brightness and volume. Similar to a volume dial in a car vs. up/down volume buttons. In 2 seconds you can dial it in.

* YouTube videos (in Safari) have the playback controls in the touchbar, not in the interface. You can watch a fullscreen video and scrub through / jump around while keeping your real estate

* TouchID is really nice with 1Password

* I can see things like Pomodoro timers, etc. being useful in the touchbar. I haven't looked at extensions yet.

* Things like the print dialog have a big, colorful button. It immediately stands out and highlights the most common action from where you are in the program. "I don't need to hunt around to adjust margins, paper handing, I just want to print."

* The escape key has a larger hit target than is shown so you can still use vim effectively.

Overall, for developer tools, I'm willing to invest in even marginal gains if it makes my life better. We use these machines hours every day, for years.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by Steko »

jjawssd wrote: post #27
WildUtah wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the Apple announcements last fall, I can only assume 2017 will be even worse for Apple. But let's remember that Apple still makes a majority of all the profit in the PC industry.

Apple is on the way out. Even if it is still on top.

We've been hearing this for decades...

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by Kevin_S »

Just wanted to add an opinion you don't see as much here, as a non-developer. It's not just developers who are pretty upset about the new Macbook, myself and my fiance were both in the market, and my fiance used a MBP through college. She pretty much fought me on the new MBP until she tried it in store, and promptly was against it. She's going with a Surfacebook and I'll probably go with the new Dell XPS 15 with the 4k screen.

It's not just developers that are a bit... confused by the new direction.

Re: Mac sales declined nearly 10% last year as Lenovo, Dell and others gained ground

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Post by megablast »

This comment section is dire. From people who think it is a dirty little secret that the cheapest items sell more. To people who think apple are now just starting to charge a premium. To some guy who only buys iconic hardware.

Most of these comments could be transported back 4 years with little difference.

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