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China is choking the Internet
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Re: China is choking the Internet
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
That link points in to empty space, and even if it didn't I highly doubt you'll find a single documented case of a foreigner operating a business in China that was jailed, unless they were doing something illegal. Simply asking for resources with a statement that you'll be forced to leave if you can't work will most likely not result in a jail sentence or even any action at all. Without proof that's just scaremongeri…
Your first sentence is a circular argument when the state gets to arbitrarily define what's illegal and notoriously includes legally undefined "state secrets" that have extended to basic economic information ... or anything that embarrasses someone in power.
Any state that I'm aware of works that way. The proverb is "If the state does it it is not illegal" for a reason.
In some 'free' countries it is even illegal to talk about the state muzzling you or turning over information:
Re: China is choking the Internet
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it is legal to smoke pot in Amsterdam, but illegal to do it in the US would you consider it ok for US law enforcement to jail visitors that have smoked pot in Amsterdam, or sold pot to United States citizens?
I don't believe this has anything to do with what you or I think is OK, I think it has to do with the rule of law and how that helps or hinders businesses. Having reasonably clear constitutions (big C and small c), laws and rules allows one to plan for the future and focus on serving customers and the like instead of worrying if the state will inadvertently shut you down (I assume we're both assuming that what the po…
For the most part all of the traffic blocked by the 'great firewall' of China is collateral damage. And that's exactly the problem.
The human right violations in China notwithstanding the majority of the people there have roughly the same ability to plan their lives and the future ahead of them as a person in the US would.
It's just that instead of relying on laws and judges they rely on corruption to stay out of trouble.
China is slowly improving in this respect, the laws are applied more consistently and corruption is slowly reduced in the eye of the public as the means to a way to deal with authorities.
It will take at least another lifetime, or maybe longer, after all it took a long time to mess it up so it will take a long time to repair it.
But anybody that is seriously comparing the situation in China today with 1989 is really out of touch with what is happening in China.
The Chinese government is caught between a rock and a hard place too, they have serious problems of their own making that they can not repair easily without risking a Soviet style melt down. Their information policies are an exponent of an older faction in their government that wants to go back to the past or at a minimum freeze the situation as it is today. But the seeds of market forces have been planted and there really is no reversing the trend.
Compare with the RIAA in the United States for a good analogy, their 'business model' is mostly dead but they're holding on for dear life and using every trick in the book to make it last as long as they can.
Eventually, they will lose, and the trend is irreversible, the people in China will never give up the rights they've gained in the last 20 years.
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#64Sorry to hear this. Can't you move out ? Why China - or is there no option.
Can you not split some work with another Asian country - India for example ?
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#65china is a f*ing country
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#66You could say that this is actually beneficial for chinese startups, because without access to foreign alternatives chinese users are forced to use their services. I don't think it's a coincidence if most segments of the chinese internet are dominated by a company from China, not the USA. The other goal that the Chinese government is achieving, is that by pushing chinese users towards chinese companies, they make sur…
That's slightly oversimplified I think, and risks ignoring e greater causes of why Chinese internet companies have succeeded beyond American ones in that market. Facebook ripoffs like Xiaonei were vastly more popular than Facebook itself even when no block was in place.
I didn't say that was the only cause, but I'm pretty sure it's one of the main factors in those sites' success.
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#67Move away from china. There's nothing for us there.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem with this is the same as for services like dropbox. If enough people do this they will start blocking the slicehost IPs. To be successful you need to have * IP usage distributed over a wide range * private distribution of proxy details * ability to switch to a new proxy when your current one is blocked Tor tries to accomplish most of this, but from the OP's post it appears that it is being effectively blo…
Does Tor use encryption between nodes? If so that should solve the deep packet inspection, right? If not, why not?
Tor encrypts between nodes, the problem is getting connected to the Tor network, you need an entry point. What the government is doing is blocking the entry points. Initially the public bridges, and then the bridge nodes (normal ones anyway).
You need to get the ip of a bridge before you can connect, but once this becomes available(semi public information) the government also learns it and blocks the ip.
There are dedicated teams here whose job is to suppress connections to Tor from inside China.
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#69dublinclontarf, I live in and run a business in China. I solve my problems with a VPN. I find the GFW an annoyance, but not a huge one. It mostly just means my connection is slower when I access certain sites. Do you live in Beijing? I'd be happy to meet up with you if you're in the area.
S(Gl)adly I don't live in Beijing, but Nanchang, it's a developing city in the south, Jiangxi province. Nothing like a startup hub here but the cost of living is far below that of Beijing.
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#70dude i'm in china too.. Freegate for the win