My statistics graduate program was about 2/3 Chinese with very poor English skills. This lead to complete self-segregation and a horrible TA experience for undergrads they were assigned to. To boot, cheating in this group was rampant.
What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)
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That is who I want representing me. You might have misunderstood my statement.
OK, then I mistakenly read sarcasm into your comment. :-(
Oh yeah. Totally understandable since I and other internet denizens are sarcastic about 98% of the time, but this is one of the rare instances where I was not.
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You don't have to pay back loans if you don't return to your home country.
The lenders are not idiots. I'm very sure they either are signed by their families or they have other ways of enforcing collection.
A lot of lenders are idiots. My evidence is the 2008 subprime lending crisis.
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>None of this justifies discriminating against Asian-American students, which is truly unjust, and shouldn't be confused for justifiable discrimination. I keep hearing this (primarily from Asian Americans who feel they didn't get into their preferred top N school), and yet they never provide evidence to support it. They give me reason and logic , but no evidence. It is trivially easy to find counterexamples to all th…
Did you look at the 3 links provided above? To quote from [3]: "They find that being Asian is the equivalent of a 140 point score penalty on your SAT when applying to top private universities. For example, a white student that scored 1360 on the SATs would be on equal footing with an Asian student that scored 1500."
Asking for a friend: how do they penalize half Asians?
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They're 18. What do you want? What authentic motivation did you have when you were 18? Seriously. My thoughts exactly. There are obviously some 18-year-old college students who know exactly what they want (some of them are replying), but even many of those will change their minds. When I was 18 I had no idea what I wanted to do (except perhaps get laid), but it was clear that college was "the next step." On a tangent…
I still resent the colleges which used "Why do you want to come to Blah University in particular?" as an admissions prompt. For a graduate program, fine. For an undergraduate program? There are a handful of acceptable cases (Stanford makes you apply to a major), but mostly it's either "it's a good school that I hope I can get in to" or "it's a mediocre school and I need a safety for when Harvard shoots me down". Thes…
I personally find these types of questions easy to answer well. If you sit on admissions committees, this question is often an easy litmus test to see if the candidate really appreciates what the school (Harvard, safety, other) has to offer.
For some, the answer is something specific like being a certain major for a certain reason (e.g., career path). For others, the answer is simply along the lines of "I want to explore a certain resource or resources you have and see where that takes me".
Elite schools have tremendous resources available to undergrads that simply don't exist in the same quantities or qualities (or even at all) at other schools. Besides the libraries and professors, there are also research institutes and labs that take in curious and hardworking undergrads. Many of them work on really cool stuff.
I realize that all people accepted to elite schools don't answer this question in a particularly interesting way, but this question is a trivially easy way to stand out in a positive way to reviewers.
Said another way, demonstrating that an applicant is genuinely curious about something that is a long suit at a given university is not really fluffing the university admissions officers -- it's just a practical thing to communicate.
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But what is "best"? While their achievements are commendable, admitting all of them will lead to a homogeneous student body and presumably not the best outcome for the institution, its graduates, or society.
What is wrong with a homogeneous student body? Forced diversity is AS racist as discrimination against blacks.
> Forced diversity is AS racist as discrimination against blacks.
for which definition of racist?
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But what is "best"? While their achievements are commendable, admitting all of them will lead to a homogeneous student body and presumably not the best outcome for the institution, its graduates, or society.
What is wrong with a homogeneous student body? Forced diversity is AS racist as discrimination against blacks.
Eisenhower federalizing the Arkansas National Guard to compel a public school to accept 9 black students was "forced diversity". Every step we've made against racism has been "forced diversity". Denying people the right to intimidate, even murder minorities to keep "a homogeneous student body" is "forced diversity". What it is not is racism.
This is the heart and soul of why we no longer tolerate "a homogeneous student body". Because we know how that plays out.
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Did you look at the 3 links provided above? To quote from [3]: "They find that being Asian is the equivalent of a 140 point score penalty on your SAT when applying to top private universities. For example, a white student that scored 1360 on the SATs would be on equal footing with an Asian student that scored 1500."
On it's own SAT scores mean little to these schools. So, finding it does not correlate with admissions does not actually demonstrate discrimination from the school. The reality is they accept far more students from 'prep' schools than average and those prep schools don't have the same ratio of Asians as the Ivy applicants. ex: Harvard get's ~17 percent of it's students from New England even though less than 5% of the…
In my experience, prep schools have a higher proportion of Asians than would be expected based on the proportion of Asians in the US population. Of course I'm not adjusting for things like income.
http://www.usaschoolinfo.com/school/phillips-exeter-academy-...
Re: What Chinese students go through to get into top American universities (2016)
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>None of this justifies discriminating against Asian-American students, which is truly unjust, and shouldn't be confused for justifiable discrimination. I keep hearing this (primarily from Asian Americans who feel they didn't get into their preferred top N school), and yet they never provide evidence to support it. They give me reason and logic , but no evidence. It is trivially easy to find counterexamples to all th…
I'm not sure I understand here: are you objecting to a lack of evidence that Asian-American students are penalized for their ethnicity, or a lack of evidence for the claim that this is unjustifiable discrimination? The first point is easy to prove - every admissions-rate breakdown suggests that many colleges apply a substantial penalty to Asian students, equivalent to ~100 points of SAT score. (Elite colleges also ha…
an alternative argument that is neither based in "erasing privilege" or "increasing diversity" nor any other possible reason for affirmative action (or some other kind of quota system).
disclaimer: this is conjecture, so please humor me. I don't have citations. this is a thought experiment for the sake of discussion.
suppose that the aspects by which Asian-American students claim they excel in, and claim as the basis for why they ought to have higher acceptance rates at certain universities, are actually not considered very valuable by those universities?
example: standardized test scores. SAT or ACT or some similar thing. maybe its true that the average standardized test score amongst Asian-American university applicants is higher than that of the general population. what advantage is that if the standardized test score itself is not something being highly valued by the admissions officer?
what would falsify that claim? examples of applicants from other cohorts being over-represented at the same average standardized test score levels.
under-representation of another group with similar test scores would not falsify the claim that standardized test scores are not considered valuable. if they're not important than there is some other criteria being selected for.
over-representation of another cohort would, however, evidence some kind of discrimination. the claim is that over-performance in standardized test scores ought to lead to over-representation in admissions. if it does for one group that over-performs but not another that also over-performs that does look like discrimination.
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Did you look at the 3 links provided above? To quote from [3]: "They find that being Asian is the equivalent of a 140 point score penalty on your SAT when applying to top private universities. For example, a white student that scored 1360 on the SATs would be on equal footing with an Asian student that scored 1500."
Asking for a friend: how do they penalize half Asians?
As far as the statistics go, on the application form they ask you for what race you self-identify as. There are only a certain number of checkboxes so a 'half' just has to choose which box to tick. That's the meaning behind the line in [3]: "Asian-American students face an extra source of stress : deciding whether to respond to the application question asking for their race and ethnicity."