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Stanford historian uncovers a grim correlation between violence and inequality

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Re: Stanford historian uncovers a grim correlation between violence and inequality

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Post by digi_owl »

kayoone wrote: post #85
sigmaprimus wrote: post #80

I love reading the comments on stories like this and consider these comments to be a bellwether as to the current state of inequality in our society. Unfortunately I tend to consider myself one who exists on the lower part of the wealth distribution logarithm within the western world, globally it's a different story. Just as anyone tweeting on their smart phone or tablet claiming to be part of the 99% might want to r…

I agree and am pretty sure that at least some of the islamists are people that feel left behind by the west, maybe would like to have a similar live but grow to hate them because they just can't have it and use the religion find likeminded people. And i say that without any elitism. It is similar to trying to understand where all the Trump votes come from when you are more liberal.

Its a bit of a mix as best i can tell.

Those that are recruited in "the west" are younger people straddling two cultures. The one of their immigrant parents, and that of the culture of the community they grow up in. Over time the stress of this life makes them lash out and open for recruitment.

Those from "the east" see their way of life encroached by "westernization" just as much as certain right wing groups in "the west" fret about "islamization". And over time the fear and frustration grows until they become violent.

Re: Stanford historian uncovers a grim correlation between violence and inequality

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Post by golemotron »

tptacek wrote: post #72
golemotron wrote: post #4

In the past few weeks the idea of 'legitimatizing violence' has been circulating heavily. On my Facebook feed most of it has centered on the idea that it is "okay" to punch neo-nazis now. The people saying this are people I'd never expect to. Twitter is similar. I wish I had stats on whether the legitimatization meme is really rising. To me, it looks like the fake news meme. Suddenly it's everywhere.

Whatever else this comment might be, it is certainly wildly off topic for the thread. Please don't catalyze sprawling off-topic subthreads on stories.

It isn't. The article is about the efficacy of violence for political change. My comment is about its timing.

Re: Stanford historian uncovers a grim correlation between violence and inequality

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Post by arethuza »

whyileft wrote: post #67
AlexB138 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>When you have a situation when 46% of the population is pushing an agenda that at least 48% of the population is strongly against. That group often starts to look for alternative ways to flex its majority power. 46% and 48% of voters, not of the population. Neither voting block are a majority of the population. I would argue this particular part of our current political climate is largely pushed by a minority, and i…

The state of California which has one of the largest economies in the world was 62% to 32% against Donald Trump. Is it really that surprising there is a fair amount of visible decent?

Indeed if California was a country its GDP would put it somewhere below France (#6) and above India (#7).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_between_U.S._states...

Re: Stanford historian uncovers a grim correlation between violence and inequality

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Post by digi_owl »

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #94
sigmaprimus wrote: post #80

I love reading the comments on stories like this and consider these comments to be a bellwether as to the current state of inequality in our society. Unfortunately I tend to consider myself one who exists on the lower part of the wealth distribution logarithm within the western world, globally it's a different story. Just as anyone tweeting on their smart phone or tablet claiming to be part of the 99% might want to r…

Islamic-inspired terrorism draws a direct lineage from the writings of Sayyid Qutb ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb ), an Egyptian civil servant who studied in America and was aghast at how consumerism subversed communal and religious virtues, and even more shocked to see the same transformation occurring in the Arab world. He eventually drew the conclusion that consumerism sequestered people away from r…

Note that his thinking didn't turn militant until he was jailed and tortured by the Egyptian government. That at the time had backing of USA, and thus trained by the CIA.

Re: Stanford historian uncovers a grim correlation between violence and inequality

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Post by digi_owl »

husgfdsr3y wrote: post #43

Singapore has one of the highest income inequalities in the world. It has one of the lowest violence rates in the world. You can say the same about China too and many other countries in Asia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disneyland_with_the_Death_Pena...

Re: Stanford historian uncovers a grim correlation between violence and inequality

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Post by jellicle »

misja111 wrote: post #35
jellicle wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When a bomb destroys a building, to whom is the value of the building redistributed to?

To the building company that will rebuild it.

Oh, so the rebuilding is done for free, funded by the value of the original building?

No. The rebuilding requires additional work/money inputs to create the new building. The value of the original building is lost forever.

Re: Stanford historian uncovers a grim correlation between violence and inequality

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Post by sigmaprimus »

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #94
sigmaprimus wrote: post #80

I love reading the comments on stories like this and consider these comments to be a bellwether as to the current state of inequality in our society. Unfortunately I tend to consider myself one who exists on the lower part of the wealth distribution logarithm within the western world, globally it's a different story. Just as anyone tweeting on their smart phone or tablet claiming to be part of the 99% might want to r…

Islamic-inspired terrorism draws a direct lineage from the writings of Sayyid Qutb ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb ), an Egyptian civil servant who studied in America and was aghast at how consumerism subversed communal and religious virtues, and even more shocked to see the same transformation occurring in the Arab world. He eventually drew the conclusion that consumerism sequestered people away from r…

I suppose it could be a chicken and egg situation, I think that some people facing difficulties in life look for answers in religion, and there are more than enough people in the religious communities offering all the answers and it is not just Islam, there are plenty of radicalized people in every religion. As far as the west goes and the consumerism, I tend to agree you and can not help but feel that we in the west are in effect worshiping a proverbial golden bull called the all mighty dollar.

Re: Stanford historian uncovers a grim correlation between violence and inequality

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Post by daemin »

shuntress wrote: post #95
daemin wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely what will happen, and I believe this is the case already in most businesses, that the cleaning functions will be outsourced to a separate company. Therefore the limit won't be the cleaner earning 10k/y, but some office admin person earning 30k/y (just guessing that one). Now then a CEO might want to outsource those jobs as well, so the company would officially only employ the highest income people. Either…

This is essentially a loophole and there must be a way to close it. Maybe it's naive to think its as simple as being slightly more verbose: "Salary tied to lowest paid employee or contractor"

Well technically running separate businesses for each salary tier would still get around it. The CEO's pay would be the combination of all of the individual CEO salaries that they would be doing.

Also cleaning and administration services wouldn't be contractors, but services bought from another company. So that wouldn't count either.

Re: Stanford historian uncovers a grim correlation between violence and inequality

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Post by digi_owl »

snappyTertle wrote: post #46

Inequality is not inherently a bad thing. People should be compensated for the value they produce. Profits are a signal of how much people value what is produced. For example, people love iPhones, it no surprise that Apple is the most valuable company in the world. What causes resentment between classes is lack of mobility. This, IMO, is caused by government regulations and a banking system that hurts the middle clas…

There is inequality and then there is inequality.

This is not a binary issue, but a matter of proportions.

When the top is say 5 times that of the bottom, society tends to be calmer than when the top is 500 times that of the bottom.

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