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George Orwell’s 1984 is currently the top selling book on Amazon

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Re: George Orwell’s 1984 is currently the top selling book on Amazon

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Post by ElectronCharge »

imauld wrote: post #147
xname2 wrote: post #111

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I can't believe there are so many people here suggest DJT should totally give up his business. This is basically the same as saying no business person should run for the president, so just leave it only to career politicians. Gets lots of downvotes for no reason. The hates toward DJT are crazy.

The reason people believe he should give up his business is because there is a conflict of interest. He does business in countries where many of the corporations his company could deal with are owned or operated by the government at least in part. You can't be sure he is making a decision that is best for the people of the US if he stands to personally gain from it. Add to the fact he won't be releasing his taxes so…

"The reason people believe he should give up his business is because there is a conflict of interest. He does business in countries where many of the corporations his company could deal with are owned or operated by the government at least in part. You can't be sure he is making a decision that is best for the people of the US if he stands to personally gain from it."

Are you aware that all profits from his foreign holdings are going to the federal treasury?

If not, rethink.

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Post by Symbiote »

rdtsc wrote: post #120
shard972 wrote: post #32

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> "alternative facts" I think people are taking this and running at breakneck speed without stopping to look at what they actually mean by this. After watching the first few press conferences and Kelly Anne's interviews where she said that, it seems clear to me they weren't trying to say there were more people physically at the inauguration in their "alternative facts" but what they are referring to specifically is t…

See I don't even know why people care. Everyone latched on that phrase and keep belaboring it. Wonder how many hours were spent totally talking about how many people at the inauguration. Why not talk about other stuff, cabinet picks, TPP, aid cancellation, Federal hiring freeze except such and such, etc. This is like the media equivalent of bike shedding. Other stuff is complicated so they latched on to that phrase..…

People care because the White House was seen to be lying in one of the first statements made to the press.

If, instead, they'd just said n-thousand people attended, and made some comment about bad weather, the attention would have moved on to the next thing a lot sooner.

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Post by eropple »

xname2 wrote: post #261
enraged_camel wrote: post #249

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>>Gets lots of downvotes for no reason Not for no reason. You are being downvoted because you apparently don't understand what a conflict of interest is, and yet have the audacity to suggest that the criticisms towards Trump are "crazy".

All you guys said just proved my point: This is basically the same as saying no business person should run for the president, so just leave it only to career politicians. If you don't see this, it is simply because your crazy hate towards DJT blocked your mind.

Is a "business person" going to be so dreadfully harmed by placing his business interests under the control of someone else, without knowing the holdings so as to avoid creating the impression that he is using the Presidency for his own financial goals, for all of four or eight years? Will he merely have to go back to a pile of money instead of a bunch of hotels afterwards? The horror.

This isn't "crazy hate", this is wanting to know who is pulling my President's strings.

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Post by hiharryhere »

ElectronCharge wrote: post #282
dllthomas wrote: post #24

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> I'm really confused by how impeachment works in the U.S. Impeachment requires a crime. Lying isn't usually a crime, and as best I can tell hasn't been one any of the times Trump has done it (.. yet?). It also hasn't been a crime any of the times Obama has done it. Failure to give up business interests is breaking precedent and confounding ethicists, but also doesn't seem to be illegal. When we come up with somethin…

"Failure to give up business interests is breaking precedent and confounding ethicists, but also doesn't seem to be illegal." It is not "breaking precedent". George Washington kept his farm. It's entirely unreasonable to expect a regular citizen to give up his business simply because he's elected to public office. Trump has taken many steps to ensure there's no conflict of interest.

He's taken the appearance of many steps.

Owning a farm is a little different to being involved in sprawling international ventures that leave you open to pressure from foreign powers.

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Post by ElectronCharge »

The most amazing thing to me is that the 0bama administration was very good at Orwellian manipulation, yet it was rarely remarked upon.

I mean, the guy got a Nobel Peace Prize, then proceeded with eight years of undeclared war on many different countries. "Droning" became a verb...

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Post by twright0 »

jakeogh wrote: post #229
rat87 wrote: post #220

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What landslide he barely slid in a electoral vote disaster, despite the electoral vote being meant to be used against men like Trump

227 vs 306 is not close. I said near-landslide because a landlside (I think) is usually something >=370. No worries, it might still happen.

I'll also point out that Trump lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes (2%), which makes it really stretch the imagination to even call it a "near-landslide".

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Post by tempestn »

ifdefdebug wrote: post #227
akiselev wrote: post #183

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If you honestly don't believe the world is unambiguously better now than it was 20-30 years ago, you've been living under a continental plate the entire time. The world has gotten better in almost every way including the rapid fall in poverty rates, more reliable sources of food and medicine, and better access to technology for even the poorest folk. All the problems that seem so overwhelming now like the threat of n…

> the world has finally recognized and united around solving the single greatest threat to our civilization If it's CO2 you are talking about, Trump already said he doesn't give a shit. EDIT: sorry for citing wrong ("world" instead of "majority of the world", wasn't intentional), but even then, you don't get a majority without the USA.

Well, technically you can easily get the majority of the world without the US, but I do agree with you that this does appear to be a step backwards.

A huge problem with climate change is that the CO2 we add to the atmosphere today doesn't have an immediate impact on the climate. It just adjust the balance between energy being added to the earth (mostly visible sunlight and UV) and the energy being radiated away (mostly heat). It takes time - decades potentially - to reach a new steady state. That's why you hear that even if we stopped ALL CO2 release today (which is obviously impossible), warming would continue for a period of time.

The end result is, even let alone the difficulty in perceiving global shifts in average temperature amidst the significant noise, we shouldn't even expect to see the majority of the shift immediately. But it appears that isn't fully understood, so many people take the lack of an obvious difference year to year as evidence against climate change.

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Post by soft_dev_person »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #281

Kind of ironic given Bush and Obama were the ones to expand the surveillance state, Hillary demonised the shit out of Russia to try create an enemy/scapegoat, and here Trump is, only a few days in power, not having done anything particularly bad. Also, I should add - for Democrats out there who keep trying to compare Trump to Hitler, say he's fascist, etc... That weak rhetoric is what gave you guys your worst electio…

Yes, it's very interesting to see them apply even more of the same logic that failed miserably last year. Also in other countries with the same tendencies, they still don't seem to get that crying about how terribly racist and fascist these people are doesn't actually reach the intended audience.

Maybe we can blame echo chambers for this...

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Post by Arkaad »

TheGRS wrote: post #217
pavanred wrote: post #200

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I really wish people and the media stop over emphasizing about every gaffe and focus on real news stories. For instance, the "alternative facts" comment/incident is being talked about everywhere, from TV news channels to news parody shows to talk shows to social media etc. But, at the same time it seems like there is so much more important news that one would think deserves more attention like the executive orders, w…

This is what people have been noticing during and since the election, you can't pin down Trump on anything because he is a controversy machine. He says something ridiculous and the media gives it attention and even begins to get some momentum on the story, but a week later, sometimes even days later, he does or says something that's even more ridiculous and now most people are concentrating on that new thing. Its har…

The Youtube channel Charisma on Command has interesting videos explaining Trump's success.

https://www.youtube.com/user/charismaoncommand/search?query=...

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