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George Orwell’s 1984 is currently the top selling book on Amazon

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> What better way to compare attendance of an outdoor event other than photos? Someone posted a good list of possible ways this could be misleading yesterday: http://www.datasciencecentral.com/profiles/blogs/there-are-l... As far as reading too much into it, I meant that the election of the first black president was a much bigger deal then the 40 somethingth white old dude. I'd expect trumps turnout to be lower and I…

> I meant that the election of the first black president was a much bigger deal then the 40 somethingth white old dude But that (and many of the questions in that link) are not relevant to the specific question of how many people were at the inauguration. Which is the topic at hand. Those questions would be more relevant in a discussion of drawing other conclusions from the attendance numbers

I'm just trying to work out why it became a thing in the first place. Was Trump trying to play up attendance numbers or was someone trying play up the lack of them to be something meaningful?

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Why is anyone still talking about Hillary Clinton? Donald Trump is the man in office. Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with anything. However Clinton may or may not violated the Constitution is absolutely irrelevant to the question of whether Trump is violating it now.

> Why is anyone still talking about Hillary Clinton? Because we're trying to ascertain if the complainers are genuinely principled or partisan hacks. I've a feeling most of them would be turning a blind eye if it wasn't trump.

Why does it matter? The complaints are either right, or they're wrong. The complainers' motives for making their complains have no bearing on that.

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>Has anyone actually done an unbiased comparison? I've seen the picture but there are plenty of possible explanations for that. What better way to compare attendance of an outdoor event other than photos? There are also DC metro numbers, but they don't seem necessary as we have high-resolution images. >And people seem to be reading far to much into it in any case. Seems emblematic of bigger issues. Such as: unwilling…

> What better way to compare attendance of an outdoor event other than photos? Someone posted a good list of possible ways this could be misleading yesterday: http://www.datasciencecentral.com/profiles/blogs/there-are-l... As far as reading too much into it, I meant that the election of the first black president was a much bigger deal then the 40 somethingth white old dude. I'd expect trumps turnout to be lower and I…

He's 70 FWIW

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So does Hillary get to spend the foundation money on herself?

Didn't the leaks reveal that Chelsea's wedding was paid for by the foundation?

No, those were fake news headlines run by Fox and Russian news agencies.

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"accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever" Payments in exchange for regular business which would have been engaged in anyway would seem not to apply, although there's disturbing room for corruption there.

U.S. Const. art. I, § 9, cl. 8. states: "No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state." [1] Add to that: - The lack of case law or Congressional guidance; - George Washington receivin…

It's certainly untested. One scenario that might be trouble for Trump would be, for example, an easement, tax credit, extraordinary incentive, or other streamlining of a Trump project in a foreign state.

What nation, looking to create a favorable deal of some kind with the US, would allow a Trump project to languish in frustrating red tape -- or allow a Trump project to lose out to a competitor in cases where the government is the decision-maker? What would the informal Trumpian chatter be like around that international negotiating table?

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I must admit, I'm really confused by how impeachment works in the U.S.. Clinton was impeached for perjury and abuse of power because he took advantage of his position (and a political intern) and then lied about it. Now we have a president who is not giving up his business interests while in office and who has already told some absolute whoppers, including the release of official press releases that were nothing but…

Trump has been in office for 4 days. Conflict of interest laws do not apply to US Presidents, so the business interest argument is moot. We don't impeach Presidents because a loud group of people dislikes the fact that they lost an election. We impeach Presidents when they commit crimes, which he has not done and hasn't even been in office long enough to do.

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> I'm really confused by how impeachment works in the U.S. Impeachment requires a crime. Lying isn't usually a crime, and as best I can tell hasn't been one any of the times Trump has done it (.. yet?). It also hasn't been a crime any of the times Obama has done it. Failure to give up business interests is breaking precedent and confounding ethicists, but also doesn't seem to be illegal. When we come up with somethin…

I can't believe there are so many people here suggest DJT should totally give up his business. This is basically the same as saying no business person should run for the president, so just leave it only to career politicians. Gets lots of downvotes for no reason. The hates toward DJT are crazy.

The reason people believe he should give up his business is because there is a conflict of interest. He does business in countries where many of the corporations his company could deal with are owned or operated by the government at least in part. You can't be sure he is making a decision that is best for the people of the US if he stands to personally gain from it.

Add to the fact he won't be releasing his taxes so the American people won't have a clear picture of who he owes money to or who owes money to him this makes for a very uncomfortable situation.

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>Has anyone actually done an unbiased comparison? I've seen the picture but there are plenty of possible explanations for that. What better way to compare attendance of an outdoor event other than photos? There are also DC metro numbers, but they don't seem necessary as we have high-resolution images. >And people seem to be reading far to much into it in any case. Seems emblematic of bigger issues. Such as: unwilling…

> What better way to compare attendance of an outdoor event other than photos? Someone posted a good list of possible ways this could be misleading yesterday: http://www.datasciencecentral.com/profiles/blogs/there-are-l... As far as reading too much into it, I meant that the election of the first black president was a much bigger deal then the 40 somethingth white old dude. I'd expect trumps turnout to be lower and I…

I'm guessing it wound up news because of the boasts and claims made by Trump and his staff about how it was the best turnout ever, with fictitious numbers added in to the claims.

For the health of the republic, I'm keen to see the media become the adversary calling out lies, lies, and all damn lies. No matter what they are. Maybe then we can be free of all the lies.

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Do people really want him to get impeached and convicted, with Pence being the successor? Seems like a terrible idea...

Pence has successfully kept it more or less between lanes for the ~17 years he's been a career politician. The guy might have snakes in his head but part of me would rather risk that than what is, to all appearances, an unhinged budding fascist surrounded by sycophants. YMMV.

>an unhinged budding fascist surrounded by sycophants. YMMV.

I'm not so sure. I almost get the impression that he doesn't really care about a lot of those things except as a means to get that part of the republican base to the polls.

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> What better way to compare attendance of an outdoor event other than photos? Someone posted a good list of possible ways this could be misleading yesterday: http://www.datasciencecentral.com/profiles/blogs/there-are-l... As far as reading too much into it, I meant that the election of the first black president was a much bigger deal then the 40 somethingth white old dude. I'd expect trumps turnout to be lower and I…

He's 70 FWIW

GP wasn't giving an age. GP stated Trump was the 40-something-th white old dude to be president.
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