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Re: Firefox 51.0

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Post by twblalock »

mrmondo wrote: post #57

From 2014: "Choose Firefox now, or you won't get a choice later" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12579163

Mozilla's marketing annoys me. They aren't freedom fighters, and they aren't actually protecting the web. They aren't big or powerful enough to protect the web, so their desire to protect it makes no difference.

That kind of marketing is an admission that their browser is not as good as its competitors. If Firefox was the best, Mozilla would drop the freedom-fighter baloney and simply say "Choose Firefox because it has the best features and user experience."

Re: Firefox 51.0

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Post by shmerl »

yazaddaruvala wrote: post #106
shmerl wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if Quantum plans to use Vulkan for rendering when it's available?

It seems it will happen eventually, but not at this time[0]. There are likely higher priority changes which need to be made. [0] https://github.com/servo/webrender/issues/186

Interesting, thanks!

Re: Firefox 51.0

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Post by staktrace »

2bitencryption wrote: post #64
mrmondo wrote: post #57

From 2014: "Choose Firefox now, or you won't get a choice later" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12579163

After reading that article in 2014, I switched to Firefox. I used it from that point until just a few weeks ago when a program bypassed my defaults and launched Chrome. And I immediately remembered why I preferred Chrome and how much more responsive it feels, and how it handles plugins and per-tab processes and uses a quarter the memory somehow. So now I'm back on Chrome. Felt good to be on FF for awhile, felt like I…

I've heard this same thing from many people, and the problem almost always turns out to be accumulated cruft in the Firefox profile. Switching to a "fresh" browser usually makes it feel much more responsive because you don't have the cruft. If that's the case for you, following the steps at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-a... may help.

Re: Firefox 51.0

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Post by CamelCaseName »

twblalock wrote: post #111
mrmondo wrote: post #57

From 2014: "Choose Firefox now, or you won't get a choice later" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12579163

Mozilla's marketing annoys me. They aren't freedom fighters, and they aren't actually protecting the web. They aren't big or powerful enough to protect the web, so their desire to protect it makes no difference. That kind of marketing is an admission that their browser is not as good as its competitors. If Firefox was the best, Mozilla would drop the freedom-fighter baloney and simply say "Choose Firefox because it h…

Firefox was launched at a time when web browsing was dominated by IE. [0] It is open-source in a world where browsers are either completely (IE/Edge) or somewhat (Chrome) closed source.

People say that IE didn't adapt fast enough, and that's why it died. But imagine how behind we'd be today if Firefox had never come along!

In a world where almost every piece of software you run (from your OS to your favorite toolbar) and every site you visit, tries to gather as much information about you. Mozilla's open-source stance and mission to improve privacy is protecting the web, by protecting us.

Perhaps privacy is not your favorite feature, perhaps it does not enhance your user experience, but for many others it does. It serves an important niche, and I hope that it succeeds and continues to disrupt what could otherwise be a browser monopoly.

[0] http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/

Re: Firefox 51.0

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Post by yborg »

jwilk wrote: post #91
Animats wrote: post #52

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Service Workers allow content to be downloaded in the background and to be made offline. In practice, service workers seem to mostly be drive-by installs of forms of hostile code. Look at "about:serviceworkers" in Firefox to see what's running. Did you ask for any of those? I have, excluding sites where I have a login: * https://www.youtube.com , https://plus.google.com I've never signed into Youtube, or Google, on t…

To disable service workers, set dom.serviceWorkers.enabled=false in about:config.

what is the downside? There doesn't seem to be any permissioning other than completely turning them off, and these could be used to implement another form of supercookie.

Re: Firefox 51.0

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #77
bobajeff wrote: post #28

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You don't have to use JavaScript. (See emscripten, binaryen etc.) The Web is basically just a runtime you don't have to host your files on a server if you don't want. You can distribute them via CDs if you prefer. Also you can use Service Workers now. That said monetisation all depends on the product not the medium. Just look at Minecraft. It didn't use ads or microtransactions and yet it was run from a Java applet i…

Yeah, but many of us game developers don't want to use any of that either. At the end of the day, those tools don't ensure that we obtain the same level of quality out the other end. Framerates aren't the same, memory usage isn't the same, and you can't easily tweak these things once they've come out the other end. The web _isn't_ just a runtime. It's abstracted like that, but browsers are glorified HTML renders with…

Myself, I'm currently working on a game that targets both the web and the desktop. I like the accessibility of the former (just go to the site and play, nearly frictionless), but the latter has better FPS by an order of magnitude[0] for the same C codebase, so I'd rather keep my options open.

[0] Mind you, said order of magnitude applies to uncapped framerate.

Re: Firefox 51.0

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

bobajeff wrote: post #85
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #77

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Yeah, but many of us game developers don't want to use any of that either. At the end of the day, those tools don't ensure that we obtain the same level of quality out the other end. Framerates aren't the same, memory usage isn't the same, and you can't easily tweak these things once they've come out the other end. The web _isn't_ just a runtime. It's abstracted like that, but browsers are glorified HTML renders with…

I don't think I'm understanding you. What tools ensure you get the same level of quality on the user's setup? Things are always different on the user's hardware/system.

I assume they mean same quality in the browser versus on the desktop. The difference is noticeable. Yes, there's differences between machines, but if you're offering only the browser version, the people with the least powerful machines could get a bad experience.

Re: Firefox 51.0

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Post by twblalock »

CamelCaseName wrote: post #114
twblalock wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla's marketing annoys me. They aren't freedom fighters, and they aren't actually protecting the web. They aren't big or powerful enough to protect the web, so their desire to protect it makes no difference. That kind of marketing is an admission that their browser is not as good as its competitors. If Firefox was the best, Mozilla would drop the freedom-fighter baloney and simply say "Choose Firefox because it h…

Firefox was launched at a time when web browsing was dominated by IE. [0] It is open-source in a world where browsers are either completely (IE/Edge) or somewhat (Chrome) closed source. People say that IE didn't adapt fast enough, and that's why it died. But imagine how behind we'd be today if Firefox had never come along! In a world where almost every piece of software you run (from your OS to your favorite toolbar)…

Firefox was released in 2004. It did a great deal to break up IE's market share at that time. I remember it very well, and I liked it a lot back then.

But it is now 2017, and when I decide which browser I should use, I choose one that is good today, and I don't care about the blows its parent company struck for or against freedom 13 years ago.

I also disagree with the assertion that Firefox is better for security or privacy than Chrome is. They are comparable in their security and privacy features.

Re: Firefox 51.0

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Post by BuckRogers »

StavrosK wrote: post #102
Cyph0n wrote: post #96

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Well, Kabyle looks like the language of a minority in Algeria. On the other hand, Icelandic is the national (and official) language of a sovereign state. In other words, Icelandic has more cultural and financial backing, which is why it's more widespread. By the way, I'd really love to visit Iceland some day. My cousin went there a few years back and he said it was amazing!

I can confirm that Iceland is amazing. I've actually never met anyone who's been there and didn't think it's amazing. The only downside is that you'll always want to go back, and you'll always have a part of you be sad that you aren't there.

I hate to continue the OT but this is important. Funny to see that people feel that way about Iceland. I lived and worked in France for 6 months and I feel exactly as you describe. As an American my opinion is that life is too short to not life in France (or some place like it). Unfortunately it's unlikely I'll ever be back for any decent period of time but I do know what suits me.

Certain people like different things and cultures but now I'm convinced I must see Iceland.

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