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Re: Safari 10.1

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Does this mean Safari is no longer the new IE? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9804533

Safari is the new IE only if you think Apple is the new Microsoft. A dubious analogy that works if you squint really hard.

I don't know about that. I see Tim Cook as being closer to Steve Ballmer than Steve Jobs. Operations vs Vision.

Re: Safari 10.1

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Safari is a great browser and I'm sometimes surprised at how huge Chrome's mindshare among developers is. Every time I try Chrome out on my Mac I end up running screaming back to Safari. Safari doesn't choke on tons of tabs, it doesn't eat battery and memory for breakfast, it's never started autoplaying videos when I open a tab in the background, it's got support for picture in picture video which is my most used new…

Every time I've tried safari I've found it really slow.

Also, I can't browse without Vimium.

Re: Safari 10.1

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When macOS 10.12.4 ships [edited from 10.12.3, because I can't type]. And Apple doesn't comment about future product releases in general, so good luck finding out when that is. :)

You probably meant 10.12.4.

Yeah, I did. Edited.

Re: Safari 10.1

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Whew. Custom Elements, Fetch, and async/await all at once? Christmas came real early in 2017...

Does this mean Safari is no longer the new IE? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9804533

Safari was never the new IE.

Microsoft took 5 years to go from IE6 to IE7, and 7 was really bad. IE completely stagnated, while being the default browser on a billion PC's. Then they were very slow to adopt HTML 5 features. Developers were supporting IE6 over 10 years after it was released. I doubt if many people are supporting 5 year old versions of Safari, let alone 10 year old versions.

Re: Safari 10.1

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Safari is a great browser and I'm sometimes surprised at how huge Chrome's mindshare among developers is. Every time I try Chrome out on my Mac I end up running screaming back to Safari. Safari doesn't choke on tons of tabs, it doesn't eat battery and memory for breakfast, it's never started autoplaying videos when I open a tab in the background, it's got support for picture in picture video which is my most used new…

are you happy with the safari extensions?

I like that Safari supports content-blocking extensions that it guarantees can't read or transmit content from webpages. Makes me feel safer about running them, rather than relying on goodwill. I'm not sure if Chrome has a similar feature.

I find Chrome trashes my battery, and for some reason will never quit reliably and requires force-quitting. I've also never figured out how to start Chrome with an empty blank screen, which I feel should be simple enough...

However, I do still use Chrome sometimes because some websites simply work better with it and it has integrated Flash support (which means I don't need to install Flash globally in my system).

Re: Safari 10.1

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does this mean Safari is no longer the new IE? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9804533

Safari was never the new IE. Microsoft took 5 years to go from IE6 to IE7, and 7 was really bad. IE completely stagnated, while being the default browser on a billion PC's. Then they were very slow to adopt HTML 5 features. Developers were supporting IE6 over 10 years after it was released. I doubt if many people are supporting 5 year old versions of Safari, let alone 10 year old versions.

> Microsoft took 5 years to go from IE6 to IE7, as 7 was really bad. IE completely stagnated, while being the default browser on a billion PC's.

I feel like many people have forgotten how bad this really was, or simply weren't developing back then ...

Re: Safari 10.1

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Safari is a great browser and I'm sometimes surprised at how huge Chrome's mindshare among developers is. Every time I try Chrome out on my Mac I end up running screaming back to Safari. Safari doesn't choke on tons of tabs, it doesn't eat battery and memory for breakfast, it's never started autoplaying videos when I open a tab in the background, it's got support for picture in picture video which is my most used new…

I enjoy Safari and use it for general browsing. However, as a developer, I perceive their developer program to be unfriendly with a high barrier to entry. That may be acceptable in a closed ecosystem like iOS but unacceptable in an ecosystem like the general web.

Safari's store & extensions are part of the Apple ecosystem, not the web's. Part of the trade off I suppose.

Re: Safari 10.1

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Safari is a great browser and I'm sometimes surprised at how huge Chrome's mindshare among developers is. Every time I try Chrome out on my Mac I end up running screaming back to Safari. Safari doesn't choke on tons of tabs, it doesn't eat battery and memory for breakfast, it's never started autoplaying videos when I open a tab in the background, it's got support for picture in picture video which is my most used new…

Developers love Chrome because its Devtools are second to none.

I don't know why but I find the Safari Dev Tools to be more usable than the Chrome ones... but that might be a stylistic preference. I've been working with Xcode and iOS since Xcode 3.0, so maybe the UX is just something I've grown accustomed to.

Re: Safari 10.1

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Whew. Custom Elements, Fetch, and async/await all at once? Christmas came real early in 2017...

Does this mean Safari is no longer the new IE? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9804533

Safari cleaned up their act in the last year: http://caniuse.com/

So far they're third going by the caniuse score, which is based on the features developers can use. Previously it last place.

I don't think it was the developer backlash that forced Apple to start releasing TP previews of Safari and progressing features. I was likely more of a gap between major versions (Safari 9.x vs 10.x)

Re: Safari 10.1

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Safari is a great browser and I'm sometimes surprised at how huge Chrome's mindshare among developers is. Every time I try Chrome out on my Mac I end up running screaming back to Safari. Safari doesn't choke on tons of tabs, it doesn't eat battery and memory for breakfast, it's never started autoplaying videos when I open a tab in the background, it's got support for picture in picture video which is my most used new…

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