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Why Nerds Are Unpopular (2003)

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Re: Why Nerds Are Unpopular (2003)

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post #5

This article is in the same vein as that execrable Lisp article that showed up today: "Alas, poor brilliant misunderstood me, cursed by my genius and unwillingness to ~play the silly games of the lesser people who surround me~"

Nerds are unpopular because a big component of the definition of "nerd" is unpopularity. If you're popular, you probably don't meet the definition of "nerd" very well.

Also, not every person can be popular, regardless of whether he or she has any of the other nerd attributes. Popularity, by definition, requires a minority of the people to be identified as "popular", plus a large number of others who recognize them as popular (which is what gives rise to popularity).

Popularity tends to be associated with certain personality attributes related to socialization. Those who don't have these outward personality attributes tend not to be popular. Not having those attributes is, again, part of the definition of nerd.

"Why is a group of people unpopular, whose defining characteristic is unpopularity and the lack of personality traits that lead to popularity?" Gee, I don't know.

Re: Why Nerds Are Unpopular (2003)

#42
This is part because the smart kids are told they go to school to learn things. That's obviously not the case; school is a horrible environment for transmitting knowledge and skill.

I for one never figured out that school was there to learn to socialise until far too late. My parents obviously meant well, and I hold no grudge, but if I was told when I was 10 or 12 to focus on the subjects I liked rather than try to do well in everything, and spend the rest of the time making friends and having fun and paying attention to other people, I'd probably be just as well off in terms what I actually retained, and much better off in social skills.

Re: Why Nerds Are Unpopular (2003)

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If you've ever spent 5 minutes talking to a programming (most likely a nerd), you don't need an article to tell you why they're unpopular. From my experience, most nerds are completely condescending and complete assholes. Maybe it's time us nerds to look at ourselves and take a little blame instead of shifting it off to everyone else.

You don't sound condescending and like an asshole here at all /s

Re: Why Nerds Are Unpopular (2003)

#45
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends on whether "nerd" is defined by personality or hobbies. If it's the latter, you're right, but so are they. If it's the former, what are the new nerds doing?

Startups?

Startups are "cool", not "nerdy".

Re: Why Nerds Are Unpopular (2003)

#46
All social animals have the concept of social rank.

Rather than popularity I would rather translate that to: "why nerds are ranked lower in the human social structure". Now, to answer that, you need to standardize in a definition for nerd.

Nerd for some is about superficial traits, whereas for others it is only a descriptor for personality traits, for others it is about intellectual traits, whereas for others it is about interests.

I think the answer lies on how humans, or generalizing, greater apes, rank each other. For example: if you went hunting, who would you take with you in descending order?

Re: Why Nerds Are Unpopular (2003)

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http://i.imgur.com/CyFyMRL.jpg

this is satire, right? such that you know none of this is anything to brag about?

I know bottle service girls that would get kicked out of every tech convention solely for making some boring accountant-that-learned-ruby uncomfortable, who are more experienced in "the blockchain" than the introverted asperger folks.

Re: Why Nerds Are Unpopular (2003)

#48
post #10

Looking back, the thing I wish someone in middle/high school pointed out to me is how temporary it is. Day in and day out it's your entire life and you think it goes on like that forever, and then one day you graduate and poof it all disappears. I remember the day after I graduated it sunk in that I'd never be in that world again and this huge feeling of relief and excitement washed over me...and then I remember feel…

At that point in your life it is a larger fraction of your life. 25% at age 16. That's why, also just having been in school for 10 years. But one should keep the philosophy that everything in life is relatively short in general. This too shall pass.

Re: Why Nerds Are Unpopular (2003)

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post #27
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I was too busy studying to be popular!" > Few smart kids can spare the attention that popularity requires. Just like all those quarterbacks who were too busy with football practice to waste any time honing their social skills. Oh wait...

There is a lot more overlap between "smart kids" and sports than a lot of tech folks want to admit, too. In the (small) town in which I grew up, the honors students were the smart kids were the popular kids were mostly playing sports. There were a lot of self-anointed "computer nerds" and others who were bookish and not popular , but not necessarily smart . (Most never left that town, while the football-playing honor…

Interesting. Couldn't be more the opposite where I'm from. Which probably just means that anecdotes make poor indicators.

Re: Why Nerds Are Unpopular (2003)

#50
post #10

Looking back, the thing I wish someone in middle/high school pointed out to me is how temporary it is. Day in and day out it's your entire life and you think it goes on like that forever, and then one day you graduate and poof it all disappears. I remember the day after I graduated it sunk in that I'd never be in that world again and this huge feeling of relief and excitement washed over me...and then I remember feel…

> it really did feel like it went on forever.

It does go on forever.

The only difference is that the "opt out" option is unlocked after high school, but opting out has consequences. Even if we don't want to admit it, there's a lot of truth to the phrase "It's not what you know but who you know".

I hung out with plenty of nerds in high school, and most of them took solace in the belief that they'd eventually be laughing all the way to the bank while the jocks were flipping burgers. It's one of those things you keep repeating to make yourself feel better even when you suspect it's not true (kind of like people who say "I could've been popular if I wanted to").

Turns out they were wrong, and I'm guessing it's because popular people are able to use their superior social/networking skills to easily find job opportunities (and promotions), while nerds struggle to find the courage to answer the phone when the interviewer calls.

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