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CMU's Libratus builds substantial lead in Brains vs. AI competition

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Re: CMU's Libratus builds substantial lead in Brains vs. AI competition

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Chess, Go, Poker... All feel like variations on the same theme. While it's obvious there is innovation being done, I want to see something more challenging. Something with more dimensionality and integration of several types of input. How about a machine that can beat someone at Smash Bros, a game with varied characters, complex comboing mechanics, and a nontrivial computer vision task? Or--more difficult by a few or…

Smash bros shouldn't be too hard. Reflexes alone would give the CPU an enormous advantage.

Indeed, from 2015:

http://kotaku.com/overpowered-bot-puts-top-smash-bros-player...

Re: CMU's Libratus builds substantial lead in Brains vs. AI competition

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Smash bros shouldn't be too hard. Reflexes alone would give the CPU an enormous advantage.

Indeed, from 2015: http://kotaku.com/overpowered-bot-puts-top-smash-bros-player...

This is not really a good example. That bot is massively cheating and if you played against him a few times you would find very simple patterns that always beat him.

(I don't even think the base AI can actually see your location in the air very well, and it has no air DI itself so it really could not win for long.)

Re: CMU's Libratus builds substantial lead in Brains vs. AI competition

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http://motherboard.vice.com/read/a-poker-playing-supercomput... Lost by $732,713, with $170 million bet... pretty close. But you're right, a victory by a chip will be declared a win

also important to note they made the players play thousands of hands over weeks and many said how they played in a way to shorten the time they had to play. thereby not necessarily showing their "true" skill.

> also important to note they made the players play thousands of hands over weeks

To your point, I wonder how they account for mental and physical fatigue. To a computer it makes no difference to play thousands of hands over such a long period of time or hundreds of hands over the course of a single day. Humans on the other hand don't have the same attention span as a computer.

Re: CMU's Libratus builds substantial lead in Brains vs. AI competition

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I believe we are witnessing the Cambrian explosion of intelligences. The techniques behind Libratus (abstraction algorithm and game theory [1]) appear to be qualitatively distinct from those behind AlphaGo (deep reinforcement learning and MCMC) and DeepBlue (search and heuristics). An ecology of Artificial Intelligences, unbounded by our evolutionary history and neural architecture, could evolve to suit each particul…

Chess, Go, Poker... All feel like variations on the same theme. While it's obvious there is innovation being done, I want to see something more challenging. Something with more dimensionality and integration of several types of input. How about a machine that can beat someone at Smash Bros, a game with varied characters, complex comboing mechanics, and a nontrivial computer vision task? Or--more difficult by a few or…

google brain^W deep mind is working on starcraft.

on a related note, hopefully a benevolent gai emerges before human society implodes.

Re: CMU's Libratus builds substantial lead in Brains vs. AI competition

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Wonder how long it will be until there is a crowdsourced AI winning the World Series of Poker?

Very very long. First of all, this bot was capably only of analysing heads up play. At the WSOP there can be maximum 10 players at the table, and with each extra player, the number of combinations to analyse grows exponentially.

Second, in the WSOP it is key to exploit weaker opponents. This bot was able to find almost perfect play against expert opponents but exploiting weak play is a different ballgame, especially if you are facing a mix of strong and weak players at a multi handed table.

Re: CMU's Libratus builds substantial lead in Brains vs. AI competition

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Honestly, this doesn't look to be a true test of who is better at poker. Poker is not like chess - a lot of emotions are involved in reading another players' cues (if he is touching his face, whether he is talking nervously, how quickly does he call all in etc.). Making all this computerized seems to take the spirit of poker away. It is like playing online poker which is an entirely different ball game vs. real poker…

Physical tells are almost entirely Hollywood nonsense. When a professional player talks about getting a read on someone, they are talking about probabilities combined with the opponent's position at the table and a history (even a short history) of that player's betting/play patterns.

> Physical tells are almost entirely Hollywood nonsense

That's true for most any level of serious player, but I see it often in casual games in peoples kitchens with casual players who don't play often or are just starting. Even I can't control myself sometimes when the adrenaline starts pumping. I'd rather say lack of self control is just one of the most amateur things you can do in poker, and what's nonsense is the idea that it's a meaningful aspect of any kind of serious poker game.

Re: CMU's Libratus builds substantial lead in Brains vs. AI competition

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chess, Go, Poker... All feel like variations on the same theme. While it's obvious there is innovation being done, I want to see something more challenging. Something with more dimensionality and integration of several types of input. How about a machine that can beat someone at Smash Bros, a game with varied characters, complex comboing mechanics, and a nontrivial computer vision task? Or--more difficult by a few or…

google brain^W deep mind is working on starcraft. on a related note, hopefully a benevolent gai emerges before human society implodes.

Google Deep Mind is working on Starcraft, not Google Brain (a different project)

Re: CMU's Libratus builds substantial lead in Brains vs. AI competition

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I believe we are witnessing the Cambrian explosion of intelligences. The techniques behind Libratus (abstraction algorithm and game theory [1]) appear to be qualitatively distinct from those behind AlphaGo (deep reinforcement learning and MCMC) and DeepBlue (search and heuristics). An ecology of Artificial Intelligences, unbounded by our evolutionary history and neural architecture, could evolve to suit each particul…

Chess, Go, Poker... All feel like variations on the same theme. While it's obvious there is innovation being done, I want to see something more challenging. Something with more dimensionality and integration of several types of input. How about a machine that can beat someone at Smash Bros, a game with varied characters, complex comboing mechanics, and a nontrivial computer vision task? Or--more difficult by a few or…

There's the AI beating a fighter pilot in combat: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11993366 Though it is again a different approach.

Re: CMU's Libratus builds substantial lead in Brains vs. AI competition

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I believe we are witnessing the Cambrian explosion of intelligences. The techniques behind Libratus (abstraction algorithm and game theory [1]) appear to be qualitatively distinct from those behind AlphaGo (deep reinforcement learning and MCMC) and DeepBlue (search and heuristics). An ecology of Artificial Intelligences, unbounded by our evolutionary history and neural architecture, could evolve to suit each particul…

> Promises and perils abound. what's the peril? I can only see promise ahead, if AI's progress continue unimpeded.

Can I recommend Bostrom's Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies?
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