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OneSocialWeb: We’re Ahead Of Diaspora In The Creation Of An ‘Open Facebook’

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Re: OneSocialWeb: We’re Ahead Of Diaspora In The Creation Of An ‘Open Facebook’

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When that spreadsheet of Facebook alternatives was posted the other day, this one ticked the most boxes. Taking a look at their site though, I was greeted by talk of protocols and invited to 'get code'. I know its just early days, but this isn't how you get people using your social network. I want to jump right in. This... is not what I want.

Yeah, it would be nice if they had an open server that allowed you to sign up and check it out. There's nothing stopping anybody from setting one up though.

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Re: OneSocialWeb: We’re Ahead Of Diaspora In The Creation Of An ‘Open Facebook’

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What I said in comments on the other story ( http://news.ycombinator.org/item?id=1344138 ): "When I last thought about it, I became convinced that we don't need an single implementation , we need standards for multiple implementations to interact. Stuff like RSS, OpenId, OAuth, etc. It's a lot less glamorous to work to these, and to try to push them forward, but it's a lot more useful."

After Diaspora works, it should be easy enough to standardize its protocol. Fixing a non-working, prematurely-standardized protocol is likely to cost more.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that Diaspora have gotten all that attention actually suggests that they have better odds to succeed - the biggest obstacles to a Facebook replacement aren't technical, after all, but social. They're starting by giving themselves a human face, just like MySpace did.

In my experience I have not seen a correlation between meda hype and success.

Attention is the indicator that they're doing something right socially; it itself is not the victory.

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OneSocialWeb, Diaspora et all are solving the wrong problem but are getting attention because of the general grumblings about Facebook. The issue causing the most Facebook user dissent is privacy. Open protocols do little to address this; having your whole social graph (think embarrassing pics) sitting on any server out of your control, whoever the owner, is the problem. What is needed is a system that guarantees pri…

I think Diaspora may have this one covered:

http://www.joindiaspora.com/project.html

"Distributed Encrypted Backups"

Re: OneSocialWeb: We’re Ahead Of Diaspora In The Creation Of An ‘Open Facebook’

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OneSocialWeb, Diaspora et all are solving the wrong problem but are getting attention because of the general grumblings about Facebook. The issue causing the most Facebook user dissent is privacy. Open protocols do little to address this; having your whole social graph (think embarrassing pics) sitting on any server out of your control, whoever the owner, is the problem. What is needed is a system that guarantees pri…

I think Diaspora may have this one covered: http://www.joindiaspora.com/project.html "Distributed Encrypted Backups"

That's a 'backup', that has nothing to do with all social content on the servers being unreadable to anyone but those in the graph.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience I have not seen a correlation between meda hype and success.

Attention is the indicator that they're doing something right socially; it itself is not the victory.

Much of the attention they are getting is down to timing. The real trick is to find a way to sustain attention until they actually deliver something.

Re: OneSocialWeb: We’re Ahead Of Diaspora In The Creation Of An ‘Open Facebook’

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What I said in comments on the other story ( http://news.ycombinator.org/item?id=1344138 ): "When I last thought about it, I became convinced that we don't need an single implementation , we need standards for multiple implementations to interact. Stuff like RSS, OpenId, OAuth, etc. It's a lot less glamorous to work to these, and to try to push them forward, but it's a lot more useful."

After Diaspora works, it should be easy enough to standardize its protocol. Fixing a non-working, prematurely-standardized protocol is likely to cost more.

Based on other experiences that's "if", not "after".

But no, it's not easy, unless things like OAuth and OpenId implementations are easy to you, which puts you in a very select group.

What about all the other distributed social media experiments, which have been around longer, done more, and are working with established protocols? I still think that this is the real way forward.

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