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Re: Future of Flash

#71

Post by tomlin »

ssharp wrote: post #53

Those stats are useless. Microsoft had 95% of the browser market at some point. I'd also like to know how 98% of enterprises "rely" on Flash. I think if Flash was completely obliterated, those enterprises would be largely unharmed.

Rely is a fair word to use. It would be sensible to say that these enterprises also rely on IIS, Apache, Microsoft Word, Excel, Photoshop or a long list of other software that they likely rely on.

None of which would dismantle their interests if they disappeared.

But, I suppose you don't get any upvotes for mentioning any of those.

Re: Future of Flash

#72

Post by swombat »

pan69 wrote: post #29
swombat wrote: post #25

They might have open-sourced the code of Flash, but getting bugs fixed and critical enhancements implemented in the Flash player (or in Flex) is still a lengthy, opaque process that takes years. It took them 3 years to add a global exception handler and fix the scrollbars in Mac, for pete's sake! As a Flex developer, that pisses me off to no end. I work in Flash all the time, and I use it because I have no choice, to…

Is that a Flash Player or a Flex framework thing?

Both are pretty slow. Flex is marginally faster.

Re: Future of Flash

#74

Post by decode »

pan69 wrote: post #27
xenthral wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"deliver a decent Flash implementation on a mobile device before touting your mobile position." I wish they'd do the same for desktop too. Flash doesn't really 'run' on my 64 bit ubuntu , it sputters and crawls and fucks up in a plethora of ways.

I don't have that problem at all. I was hesitant to move to 64 bit but the Flash player is screaming fast on my machine. I can easily playback 1680x1050 YouTube videos without a glitch. It's more than possible that your hardware configuration is the cause. Get in touch with Adobe and let them know your config, the problem might be fixable. PS: I run Ubuntu as well of course.

That's incredible. I've been running the 64-bit flash player in Ubuntu for a while and it fails horribly at high resolution video. Two questions:

1) Where did you get the 1680x1050 youtube video? The 1080p video I tried was 1920x798. Can you give me a link so I can test with it?

2) Which CPU and video card do you have? My Core 2 Duo E8400 and NVIDIA 8800GT don't even get close to cutting it. Anything above 480p video and I get dropped frames and horrible tearing.

Edit: I have no problem playing 1080p video in native video players like mplayer and vlc, only flash.

Re: Future of Flash

#75

Post by daten »

decode wrote: post #74
pan69 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have that problem at all. I was hesitant to move to 64 bit but the Flash player is screaming fast on my machine. I can easily playback 1680x1050 YouTube videos without a glitch. It's more than possible that your hardware configuration is the cause. Get in touch with Adobe and let them know your config, the problem might be fixable. PS: I run Ubuntu as well of course.

That's incredible. I've been running the 64-bit flash player in Ubuntu for a while and it fails horribly at high resolution video. Two questions: 1) Where did you get the 1680x1050 youtube video? The 1080p video I tried was 1920x798. Can you give me a link so I can test with it? 2) Which CPU and video card do you have? My Core 2 Duo E8400 and NVIDIA 8800GT don't even get close to cutting it. Anything above 480p video…

That's my experience with any recent ATI card in Linux. Flash doesn't have to be involved. High resolution or full-screen video with a quad-core AMD Phenom and 8GB of ram results in dropped frames and tearing.

I fixed it by switching back to NVIDIA.

Re: Future of Flash

#76

Post by lukev »

No flash on the iPad is a reasonably big deal for me. I almost bought one, then realized that I couldn't use Hulu or Amazon Video on Demand with it.

I use those for ALL of my TV needs. Watching TV in bed with an iPad was actually the most attractive use case to me, until I realized it wouldn't work.

So I didn't buy one.

Edit: I don't particularly love Flash for its own sake. I just want to use the services that I've come to like. And apparently, right now, Flash is the only realistic way to get them. HTML5 is, apparently, not quite there yet.

Re: Future of Flash

#77

Post by Nwallins »

tomlin wrote: post #71
ssharp wrote: post #53

Those stats are useless. Microsoft had 95% of the browser market at some point. I'd also like to know how 98% of enterprises "rely" on Flash. I think if Flash was completely obliterated, those enterprises would be largely unharmed.

Rely is a fair word to use. It would be sensible to say that these enterprises also rely on IIS, Apache, Microsoft Word, Excel, Photoshop or a long list of other software that they likely rely on. None of which would dismantle their interests if they disappeared. But, I suppose you don't get any upvotes for mentioning any of those.

> IIS, Apache, Microsoft Word, Excel, Photoshop

I can see the enterprise use case for all of those except perhaps the last. I doubt 98% of enterprises rely on Photoshop.

What is the enterprise use case for Flash again?

Re: Future of Flash

#78

Post by MikeCapone »

lukev wrote: post #76

No flash on the iPad is a reasonably big deal for me. I almost bought one, then realized that I couldn't use Hulu or Amazon Video on Demand with it. I use those for ALL of my TV needs. Watching TV in bed with an iPad was actually the most attractive use case to me, until I realized it wouldn't work. So I didn't buy one. Edit: I don't particularly love Flash for its own sake. I just want to use the services that I've…

> No flash on the iPad is a reasonably big deal for me. I almost bought one, then realized that I couldn't use Hulu or Amazon Video on Demand with it.

If they don't already exist, I'm pretty sure that you'll soon be able to access these services via dedicated apps. They'll probably have a nicer interface (for touch) than the websites too.

Re: Future of Flash

#79

Post by iongion »

Qz wrote: post #67
jcl wrote: post #44

It's funny to see Adobe listing things like Gnash, Haxe, and Red5 as advantages of Flash, after impeding their early development.

It's not like Adobe is the only tech company guilty of that.

Well, is that real what i see with my own eyes, Gnash ?

Is this just a mentioning of several technologies or do they really allow Gnash existence ?

SWF renderers are the only forbidden aspect of the entire Flash technology.

Is this for real ?

Re: Future of Flash

#80

Post by iongion »

From my view, the only real closed thing in Flash is that they do not allow SWF renderers others than the Flash Player itself. (If any mobile company can create their own renderer, then, why license players from Adobe)

Then another problem appears, if anyone can create their own players, then they might introduce differences(Java vs J++ long ago)

GNASH being mentioned on an official page, i can not believe my eyes!!!

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