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All References to Climate Change Have Been Deleted from the White House Website

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Re: All References to Climate Change Have Been Deleted from the White House Website

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Post by Coincoin »

vowelless wrote: post #4

I think the headline is a little wrong or maybe I am misreading it. It's not the case that someone went to the website and deleted climate change references; but rather, there is a new web site which doesn't have any references. As the article itself says : > To reiterate: It is normal that the site is completely new; it is notable that climate change is not mentioned on any one of Trump's new pages

Title should have been: "Things from previous administration we agree about is not on new administration web site."

Re: All References to Climate Change Have Been Deleted from the White House Website

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Post by jmaygarden »

rmxt wrote: post #15
iaw wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I downvoted your comment because I don't feel like it has anything to do with the linked story or adds anything to the thread. Rather than complain from the top of the "I told you so" pedestal to people that generally agree with you, I urge you to approach the Trump presidency with rationalism. This isn't a situation where the Trump administration did anything inappropriate, by treating it as if it were you appear do…

Urging everyone to approach issues rationally is fine, but how can you excuse the inherent irrationality ("isn't a situation where ... did anything inappropriate") in denying that climate change/global warming is happening? (I am not saying it is or is not anthropogenic -- as far as I know, that is less settled.)

However, nothing about climate change was actually deleted. The website was replaced wholesale. What is rational about considering the act of not posting new climate change content on a new website within hours of the inauguration of a new president inappropriate?

Re: All References to Climate Change Have Been Deleted from the White House Website

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Post by woofyman »

knowaveragejoe wrote: post #20
lloyd-christmas wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly, it's directly mentioned on this page. https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy

It's a shame that there's not a single mention of renewable, solar, wind, or nuclear, but coal and oil are mentioned multiple times each.

Trump is anti wind power.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/amp/p/bd4acf3...

Re: All References to Climate Change Have Been Deleted from the White House Website

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Post by masklinn »

blhack wrote: post #5

EVERYTHING has been scrubbed from the site, it would appear, because there is a new administration taking over.

It was quite surprising as I deref'd a link to the Obama administration's exit memos at just that point, but the site is apparently archived at https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/ (though not entirely, the page linking to the exit memos is there[0] but the link is dead)

[0] https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/administration/cabinet/

Re: All References to Climate Change Have Been Deleted from the White House Website

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Post by masklinn »

epaulson wrote: post #13

Whitehouse.gov was archived to https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/ at noon. It looks like they've done a reasonable job with redirects from old URLs to the archives sites. (Hopefully forever) Not quite the mantra of 'Cool URLs don't change', but a reasonable compromise for making something that the non-technical public can understand.

Some of the documents are missing though, the cabinet's exit memos are gone: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/administration/cabinet/...

Re: All References to Climate Change Have Been Deleted from the White House Website

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Post by masklinn »

woofyman wrote: post #23
knowaveragejoe wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a shame that there's not a single mention of renewable, solar, wind, or nuclear, but coal and oil are mentioned multiple times each.

Trump is anti wind power. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/amp/p/bd4acf3...

And his cabinet is by and large anti-everything-which-is-not-fossil-fuels.

Re: All References to Climate Change Have Been Deleted from the White House Website

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Post by iaw »

rmxt wrote: post #15
iaw wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I downvoted your comment because I don't feel like it has anything to do with the linked story or adds anything to the thread. Rather than complain from the top of the "I told you so" pedestal to people that generally agree with you, I urge you to approach the Trump presidency with rationalism. This isn't a situation where the Trump administration did anything inappropriate, by treating it as if it were you appear do…

Urging everyone to approach issues rationally is fine, but how can you excuse the inherent irrationality ("isn't a situation where ... did anything inappropriate") in denying that climate change/global warming is happening? (I am not saying it is or is not anthropogenic -- as far as I know, that is less settled.)

> how can you excuse the inherent irrationality ... in denying that climate change/global warming is happening?

I had no intention of excusing the irrationality of climate change denial. It's not that the Trump administration went in and only deleted references to climate change at noon, they replaced the entire site.

I have no expectation for them to change position and build out a portion of their new website to address climate change, why would I? I think there position is irrational but the new site design is not a place to fight it.

Re: All References to Climate Change Have Been Deleted from the White House Website

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Post by iaw »

burkaman wrote: post #17
iaw wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for pointing this out, I missed it on my first read-through. The framing of this article implies that the Trump administration scrubbed the references first thing rather than roll out their new version which had no references to climate change. I'm as ready as half the country to despise this administration but I'll save my outrage for things that are actually malicious.

The act of replacing the website is normal, but the content of the replacement is malicious.

How do you define malicious in this context? I see the content (from summaries, I haven't read it) as 100% self-consistent for the Trump administration.

Re: All References to Climate Change Have Been Deleted from the White House Website

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Post by finid »

Every paragraph on that page scares the heck out of me.

Take these two:

President Trump is committed to eliminating harmful and unnecessary policies such as the Climate Action Plan and the Waters of the U.S. rule.

The Trump Administration is also committed to clean coal technology, and to reviving America’s coal industry, which has been hurting for too long.

May God help America!

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