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Re: Ask HN: Need help with job offer negotiation

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If you haven't already, read this article by our own "patio11": http://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/

Like others said, be nice but firm. Once during an interview, I was told that my desired salary range was above the top of the band for that job. I said with a big smile: "That's not my problem!" The interviewer said "You're right!"

Re: Ask HN: Need help with job offer negotiation

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Please tell me you didn't share your previous salary with HR :) Also 8 vs 10 years of experience is not a significant difference so that HR can BS you. They are moving quick on you because you're a solid candidate, and they are trying to close quick. Don't let HR BS you, once you get an offer, counter them at 10-20% of where you want to be, or simply give them a range that you feel comfortable with. You are the scarc…

Just wondering, how would you respond when being asked about your previous salary? I'm asking because I'm currently in negotiation with some companies, and being asked for your previous salary seems to be common practice.

I was pushed hard on this last time I was interviewing. We danced around a bit, with them requesting and me declining, until they said they must have my previous salary because it is their policy. So I responded that it was my policy not to disclose my salary. They couldn't argue with that, and I got the offer I was looking for (which I ended up turning down anyway, but that isn't the point.) This is in the UK, but I don't see why it wouldn't apply anywhere.

Re: Ask HN: Need help with job offer negotiation

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How bad do you want this job? If not bad enough, say this to the HR: "I appreciate the offer but I strongly believe that my market value should get me $desired and if you cannot match that, I will not be able to move forward." Hit send, close tab and go away from your emails for a while. If they truly value your skills since they already interviewed you, you will get the deal. If not, hey you didnt lose anything This…

Thanks. I've got some unique circumstances that do let me walk away, and I'm only asking for parity within the company.

There is far more demand than supply for developers right now. If there are other equivalent employers available to you, you don't have to do anything other than politely insist on market rate, and be fully prepared to walk away if they won't meet that.

Re: Ask HN: Need help with job offer negotiation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just wondering, how would you respond when being asked about your previous salary? I'm asking because I'm currently in negotiation with some companies, and being asked for your previous salary seems to be common practice.

I was pushed hard on this last time I was interviewing. We danced around a bit, with them requesting and me declining, until they said they must have my previous salary because it is their policy. So I responded that it was my policy not to disclose my salary. They couldn't argue with that, and I got the offer I was looking for (which I ended up turning down anyway, but that isn't the point.) This is in the UK, but I…

Thank you for your insight.

Re: Ask HN: Need help with job offer negotiation

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Being an HR professional I would never ask for pay stubs to confirm someone's wages. What you are being paid is really non of there business. I always ensure that our Total compensation model is comparable to the industry and will work with the candidate to get them something we both can agree on. I honestly wouldn't want to work for a company like that. Also if your looking at even considering a counteroffer form yo…

This was a job with the state, so I thought the rules were rigid and payscales well defined. They ended up offering slightly above what I asked, which I should have realized that it meant they would have offered even more.

Re: Ask HN: Need help with job offer negotiation

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Update: I just sent my proposal in, with salary and market calculations along with a request to keep the higher title.

Ironically, they gave me their 10-15% formula as a lowball tactic, but once I did the calculations this way it came out slightly higher than market.

This was because of differences in benefits and net savings from cost of living.

I guess the question is now, how can I ask for higher than market? I'm not sure if I can. I may be a rare candidate that fit all their checkboxes and they need to move quickly, but this is a good step for me too.

Re: Ask HN: Need help with job offer negotiation

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Update: I just sent my proposal in, with salary and market calculations along with a request to keep the higher title. Ironically, they gave me their 10-15% formula as a lowball tactic, but once I did the calculations this way it came out slightly higher than market. This was because of differences in benefits and net savings from cost of living. I guess the question is now, how can I ask for higher than market? I'm…

I don't mean this in a disrespectful way but I think you are too hung up on market vs non-market. Just decide what is a good number for you to quit your current job and ask for that . If you get it, take it. If not, move on. Don't make it too difficult for you.

Re: Ask HN: Need help with job offer negotiation

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Please tell me you didn't share your previous salary with HR :) Also 8 vs 10 years of experience is not a significant difference so that HR can BS you. They are moving quick on you because you're a solid candidate, and they are trying to close quick. Don't let HR BS you, once you get an offer, counter them at 10-20% of where you want to be, or simply give them a range that you feel comfortable with. You are the scarc…

> [...] give them a range that you feel comfortable with. A side note: I don't get why providing a range is of any benefit, and I'm not talking about this particular situation. I wouldn't expect the other side to offer the top bracket if they know that I would accept the position for the lower bracket (I wouldn't specify the unacceptable lower bracket salary). What is in the setting that I don't see?

Giving them a range might not be the best idea, but if they are really pushing you for your salary, it's a good idea to just look up market value for your position and give them some sense of what you want.

Another approach would be to ask HR for what their range is, and you can confirm that it is within your expectations. Mind you, this is not the final negotiation, just a ballpark of where they can make you an offer. You should still be able to negotiate to the upper limit of the range once you're given an offer.

A range gives you some flexibility, whereas giving them your current salary, or just as single value, immediately anchors you to it.

Re: Ask HN: Need help with job offer negotiation

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If you haven't already, read this article by our own "patio11": http://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ Like others said, be nice but firm. Once during an interview, I was told that my desired salary range was above the top of the band for that job. I said with a big smile: "That's not my problem!" The interviewer said "You're right!"

Another good comeback is "I guess that puts your band below my desired salary, then." and then say nothing else.

Re: Ask HN: Need help with job offer negotiation

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Please tell me you didn't share your previous salary with HR :) Also 8 vs 10 years of experience is not a significant difference so that HR can BS you. They are moving quick on you because you're a solid candidate, and they are trying to close quick. Don't let HR BS you, once you get an offer, counter them at 10-20% of where you want to be, or simply give them a range that you feel comfortable with. You are the scarc…

Just wondering, how would you respond when being asked about your previous salary? I'm asking because I'm currently in negotiation with some companies, and being asked for your previous salary seems to be common practice.

That just happened to me too (just accepted an offer for a new job). When they asked I politely told them I would not share that info, but I would tell them what range I'm looking for. It worked out fine.
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