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Google Has Started Penalizing Mobile Websites with Intrusive Pop-Up Ads

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post #93

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Milk is kept at the back of the store because that's the easiest please to put it from a logistics stand point. The truck the milk comes in pulls up to the back of the store and can immediately unload it into the giant refrigerated rooms at the back of the store. The fact that it helps "build the basket" by being at the back is a happy coincidence for the store.

Every Target I've been to has the milk before just about every other grocery item. Strangely enough, the seasonal stuff is tucked away in a corner. Then again, I guess if you're going to target for milk you're probably doing it wrong...

I always find this interesting, as Target is pretty smart about merchandising. My guess here is that they know that they usually (at least around my hometown) are not top of mind for grocery. Milk is probably a trigger.

Re: Google Has Started Penalizing Mobile Websites with Intrusive Pop-Up Ads

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I'd really like to see them work on improving relevancy instead of swinging their corporate weight around at whatever "benevolent" end they decide is important this week. Considering how much time I have to spend nowadays tweaking queries and futzing with the search tool options to get relevant results, I'm starting to look at all of these moves much more cynically. Taking on anti-patterns is great, but not when your…

It's not benevolent. They are herding webmasters to use google's ad platform.

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post #169

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I really don't see how. What are the alternatives you envision? Switching to a more expensive service that doesn't show ads but charges a markup? Physically waiting in line at the box office? Sadly, if "give it away for free and make money from advertising" is the dominant business model in an industry, it's very hard to disrupt. That's precisely because there aren't really any sustainable incentives for users to swi…

How much do they make per add shown? Is it more than a price difference users would care about, say 50c? If one experience is awful and one is pleasant but 50c more then most aren't going to notice the difference. Not to mention the effects on the advertiser, being disrupted from what I'm doing to see your ad makes me not want to see your movie. For theatre's over reliance on advertising has already turned a lot of p…

I bet they have low conversions anyway, because who in the hell wants to pay $2 fees for a $15 movie ticket?

They don't really save time, as you need to show up early for a seat in most places.

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Most users hate these pop-ups and cheer this move from Google. But let me add a little context to why these ads are so prevalent and why some companies view this move as Google abusing their power. If you visit to any "guide" website like TripAdviser, Yelp, etc, these days on a mobile browser, you'll notice that the sites often barely let you do anything without downloading the native app. They all but refuse to let…

Counterpoint: this is (mostly) a zero-sum game. If sitewithpopups.com gets bumped down a slot, someone else gets bumped up, and the site getting bumped up is either a.) more relevant or b.) isn't being a jerk to its users. Google's widgets aren't going away; if you're going to be mad, be mad at the widgets, not the pushing-you-to-not-be-awful.

I think we can all agree that these types of overlays are terrible for users. And there are alternatives, like banners and static inline suggestions to download the app. I don't mind when sites put a "Read More" button that does little more than unhide some content, why not do the same thing to invite users to your app?

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Most users hate these pop-ups and cheer this move from Google. But let me add a little context to why these ads are so prevalent and why some companies view this move as Google abusing their power. If you visit to any "guide" website like TripAdviser, Yelp, etc, these days on a mobile browser, you'll notice that the sites often barely let you do anything without downloading the native app. They all but refuse to let…

Isn't this more of a sign that restaurant/hotel businesses are becoming more SEO savvy, and that aggregators are becoming outdated? Remember, the aggregators originally dethroned the travel agencies as the 'experts' in connecting people with what they want. Google search is in the business of providing information, meaning if they have the info available they'll provide an aggregated list of restaurants to someone wh…

I doubt it.

Google has a long and storied history (since Dejanews) of fucking up user generated content on google properties.

If you're looking for restaurants and hotels, TripAdvisor and Yelp are exponentially better than anything Google is going to give you.

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Most users hate these pop-ups and cheer this move from Google. But let me add a little context to why these ads are so prevalent and why some companies view this move as Google abusing their power. If you visit to any "guide" website like TripAdviser, Yelp, etc, these days on a mobile browser, you'll notice that the sites often barely let you do anything without downloading the native app. They all but refuse to let…

Kinda makes you wonder if people will stop using Google search if it keeps them within the walled garden of other Google services. It wouldn't surprise me if Google is the next AOL in a decade or two, for reasons including this one.

I think many people are living in a Facebook world. They are clearly AOL 2.0.

I always thought AMP was a way to get some visibility into Facebook sharing traffic.

Re: Google Has Started Penalizing Mobile Websites with Intrusive Pop-Up Ads

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post #194

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The reason for this behavior is that Google is systematically destroying the SEO traffic of these sites Another reason is that with apps, they have the opportunity to harvest the phone owners private data directly (contacts, messages, seeing what competing apps are installed, etc.) Most people don't pay attention to the overbroad spectrum of access many apps demand. Specific example: Samsung changed the Gallery app (…

How much of a problem is this on iOS?

Most apps will work fine if you decline their extra permission requests, though obviously certain features may not work without them. The rest of your app has to function normally, and you definitely can't crash or otherwise programmatically quit.

There are one or two apps I use that do require extra permissions to function – like the NFL Sunday Ticket app won't work unless I enable location services, because it needs to black-out local games due to broadcast rights.

Some things are simply not available on iOS. For example, your app can't get a list of other apps you have installed, or send/receive text messages.

Of course, every once in a while someone finds a way to abuse a different API maliciously. Apple had to limit the availability of the API used to determine if a URL scheme can be handled by the device because Twitter was spamming it to determine what apps you had installed (if your device can open a 'dominospizza://' link, they knew you had the Dominos app installed). So now you have to whitelist up to 50 URL schemes your app might try to launch.

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I've largely stopped using chrome on mobile because of the lack of ublock. When I do use chrome it's with JavaScript disabled. Despite a few UI differences switching to Firefox on mobile with ublock has been excellent.

I've been using Brave for Android which has built in ad-block. Since it's based on Chromium, it looks and feels almost identical to Chrome, just faster and without ads.

Re: Google Has Started Penalizing Mobile Websites with Intrusive Pop-Up Ads

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post #47

What's really stupid are sites from which you can buy things, but then pop up an ad for something else. Fandango, which sells movie tickets, does this. As you're trying to get to the "buy ticket" page, they shove movie trailers for other movies in your face. I mentioned a site earlier today which sold plumbing supplies.[1] They pop up a "gimme your email" box which 1) cannot be dismissed , and 2) isn't even theirs, i…

Pop-ups asking me to please take a survey about the user experience of the website, too. Well, I was trying to actually buy something on your website, before your goddamn survey pop-up got in the way.

"Pop-ups asking me to please take a survey about the user experience of the website, too."

Agreed - and those surveys are often powered by? ... Google!

This is indeed a little hypocritical of them.

We need to do something abut intrusive ads, but I'm not sure this is it.

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