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"the Hillary e-mails are actually very chilling when you start reading through them" What chilled you, specifically?
Yeah, I read them and I came away liking her more.
If you hate marijuana, sure
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> Did you use your pizzagate decoder ring to figure out where they hid the girls yet? I miss detox "week".
You mean the conservative control week? The vast majority of stories that ban filtered were about proposed human rights abuses by Trump's advisory board, and subsequent details about how foreign intelligence agencies helped the conservative candidate without the hobble of campaign finance laws or ethical considerations. Or are you mad I'm here, being pugnacious and irreverent about the more absurd allegations leveled…
No, I am not mad you are criticizing conservatives, nor do I think we should be ignorant of politics. I was struck by the nastiness of that part of your comment, that it was a personal, dismissive insult.
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Yea, from the POV of the government having the public realize all the illegal, unethical and irresponsible things you've been doing with their tax dollars would be absolutely terrible. Someone may end up getting jail time - or even worse - lose their reelection! /s Anyone who is able to condemn Manning would also condemn the soldiers of Hitler's army who chose to disobey orders to kill Jews because it would have been…
Is there a single thing in those files to make Nazi comparison justifiable?
Nazis tortured and massacred civilians in eastern Europe. US Soldiers did so in Iraq. Did you even bother to read the reports?
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#774Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yea, from the POV of the government having the public realize all the illegal, unethical and irresponsible things you've been doing with their tax dollars would be absolutely terrible. Someone may end up getting jail time - or even worse - lose their reelection! /s Anyone who is able to condemn Manning would also condemn the soldiers of Hitler's army who chose to disobey orders to kill Jews because it would have been…
You sure jumped to Nazi comparisons rather quickly.
Because the comparisons are blatantly obvious.
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When did The Guardian or the South China Morning Post vet anything with the US government?
The Guardian ran everything by the US government first before publishing. Every responsible journalist does. They're looking for a response or comment to the story, to make sure they didn't get anything wrong, and to see if there's a any reason to withhold details (a reason beyond "It's classified so don't"). In fact, in Greenwald's book No Place to Hide, he describes how they held off publishing for several days whi…
If that's the case, how did they get almost everything wrong? Reading the original stories on The Guardian, I couldn't find any response from the US government.
Why did you ignore the SCMP entirely?
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#776Earlier quoted context omitted.
You mean the conservative control week? The vast majority of stories that ban filtered were about proposed human rights abuses by Trump's advisory board, and subsequent details about how foreign intelligence agencies helped the conservative candidate without the hobble of campaign finance laws or ethical considerations. Or are you mad I'm here, being pugnacious and irreverent about the more absurd allegations leveled…
No, I am not mad you are criticizing conservatives, nor do I think we should be ignorant of politics. I was struck by the nastiness of that part of your comment, that it was a personal, dismissive insult.
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#777Earlier quoted context omitted.
You mean the conservative control week? The vast majority of stories that ban filtered were about proposed human rights abuses by Trump's advisory board, and subsequent details about how foreign intelligence agencies helped the conservative candidate without the hobble of campaign finance laws or ethical considerations. Or are you mad I'm here, being pugnacious and irreverent about the more absurd allegations leveled…
No, I am not mad you are criticizing conservatives, nor do I think we should be ignorant of politics. I was struck by the nastiness of that part of your comment, that it was a personal, dismissive insult.
So was implying that arbitrarily assigned "code words" were evidence of a child abuse ring which was so hyped to a group of people that it lead to a physical confrontation with an armed individual in public.
"Code words" is pizzagate talk, even if you're not aware of that. It's the literal phrasing echoed throughout twitter and gab used to justify arbitrary accusations.
I'm not sure how you can treat that kind of nasty and totally senseless fear mongering with anything but irreverence.
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> I cannot understand how people do not fight back in solidarity with outrage against human and civil rights abuses I think there is a very sad aspect of human nature which makes humans bow before power.
It's called mortality :) people have X years to live and try to make the best of it and not everyone is ready to sacrifice that time for doing the right thing.
The simple fact that other people are unjustly suffering means that my mortality of x years is not the best. I think this alone should make everyone want to help make the world the best it can be. But empathy and love loses to selfishness and greed.
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A country is hit by whistleblowers when these people find their government doing things that are against their principles. That's much harder to happen when the people employed has no such thing.
The country is hit by "leakers" when arbitrary people on inside leak secrets for arbitrary reasons. Even the leakers themselves disagreed on morality of various things at various points. The problem is much broader and more subjective than you're hinting at if we adopted a policy of letting anyone leak anything they personally thought was bad. Especially if only one country in a world of nations competing was doing i…
The people of any country where would-be leakers are summarily executed for treason will not know what its government is hiding from them. Sometimes governments hide things for good reasons but, sometimes, the very crimes the government commits in order to protect the country's principles end up undermining those.
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#780> “Chelsea Manning is somebody who went through the military criminal justice process,
it was torture. you can give it names but it was torture. your criminal justice process involves torture.
> was exposed to due process
naked torture
> was found guilty, was sentenced for her crimes, and she acknowledged wrongdoing,” he said. “Mr. Snowden fled into the arms of an adversary and has sought refuge in a country that most recently made a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy.”
I am so disgusted right now. Why do they even pretend.