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Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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Post by lqdc13 »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #56
mona_simpson wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forget what? There was no pardon by Obama, so that agreement does not apply. Why would you want to detract from the good news of Chelsea having a release date in the very near future and conflate that with a different issue regarding Assange?

"If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ (US Department of Justice) case," WikiLeaks wrote on Twitter. - https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel... What is the difference between a commutation of sentence and a pardon? In the federal system, commutation of sentence and pardon are different forms of executive clemency, which is…

So let's pretend the sentence was reduced by a week instead. Would that still be the same thing?

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Post by bwooceli »

djsumdog wrote: post #32

Seven years is still a long time for whistle blowing. I'm glad to see she is still getting released though. It's important to note commuting the sentence is not a pardon. Chelsea will still have this conviction for the rest of her life. I know there is a lot of controversy with Manning compared to Wikileaks et. al. as far as not redacting documents or using a discriminating news source to filter them. Still, I oppose…

Not a whistle blower. The cable leaks were just a bulk drop of decades worth of material.

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Post by karmacondon »

djsumdog wrote: post #32

Seven years is still a long time for whistle blowing. I'm glad to see she is still getting released though. It's important to note commuting the sentence is not a pardon. Chelsea will still have this conviction for the rest of her life. I know there is a lot of controversy with Manning compared to Wikileaks et. al. as far as not redacting documents or using a discriminating news source to filter them. Still, I oppose…

By definition, a whistle blower must reveal evidence of the commission of a crime. The term does not extend to "actions by the government that I disagree with" or "things that violate my personal interpretations of the Constitution"

If you misuse the term, you make it more difficult for legitimate whistle blowers to get the protection they deserve.

Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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Post by mason240 »

TillE wrote: post #120
cm2187 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whistle blowing requires the knowledge of wrong doing, and exposing these wrong doings. As far as I am aware that guy leaked the data in bulk without looking at it, and without any knowledge of the US diplomacy, and the leaks didn't expose any major wrongdoing. Only some gory videos, that don't really teach us anything (everyone knows bombs make "collateral damages", the US army even maintains statistics on them). An…

> Only some gory videos, that don't really teach us anything (everyone knows bombs make "collateral damages" So you've never actually watched (or read about) the Collateral Murder video, huh? It's a helicopter crew killing people with guns, not bombs. And they kill exactly who they intend to. Maybe don't form strong opinions when you don't have the slightest clue what the facts are.

Manning had no knowledge of the video. It happened to be in the blind data dump.

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Post by saycheese »

>> "More than a million supporters of Edward Snowden have petitioned President Barack Obama to pardon him, but the former National Security Agency contractor hasn't submitted the required documents for clemency, according to the White House."

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/17/politics/snowden-no-clemency-r...

Forms: https://www.justice.gov/pardon/application-forms

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EDIT: Appears the only way to contact Ed is by Twitter: https://twitter.com/Snowden

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Post by and0 »

ishields wrote: post #132
arbitrage wrote: post #109

She. Not they. Chelsea Manning identifies as female.

Come on now, "They" does not imply any gender and is appropriate to describe any person

I thought the same thing but there's no way a native English speaker would use "they" in that context otherwise. It made me have to go back and see if Wikileaks in general was being referenced.

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Post by notahacker »

skolos wrote: post #47
headcanon wrote: post #13

how much you wanna bet that Julian Assange will conveniently forget his agreement to be extradited if Manning gets pardoned? https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel...

"If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ (US Department of Justice) case," WikiLeaks wrote on Twitter.

convenient for him to agree to be extradited to a country that hasn't requested his extradition, not the one that has...

Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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Post by MrZongle2 »

wbl wrote: post #119
notpc wrote: post #18

Manning indiscriminately leaked tons of diplomatic cables, as part of a personal vendetta against the US Army. It is without contention that the vast majority of the leaked cables revealed nothing that anyone considers wrongdoing. This wasn't the act of a whistle blower. It was the cowardly act of someone who put their own petty fantasies ahead of their solemn duty to protect the information they were entrusted with…

Or it's Obama recognizing that someone with mental health issues the military is ill-equipped to address who has been in custody for seven years has been punished enough. Lawfare is not a bastion of liberalism, but has suggested enough is enough. Let's save the life sentences for the Walkers.

"Or it's Obama recognizing that someone with mental health issues the military is ill-equipped to address who has been in custody for seven years has been punished enough."

Playing Devil's Advocate: if this is the case, why did it take until the last week of his tenure as President for him to do this?

No, this smells of "legacy". Obama could have done this years ago.

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