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Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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how much you wanna bet that Julian Assange will conveniently forget his agreement to be extradited if Manning gets pardoned? https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel...

Not nearly as much as the amount I would bet that Manning will never get pardoned.

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#52
Manning will be released in May this year, just after Trump's first 100 days in office. It's almost like Obama is timing this as a reminder of himself at a point in the future where it's bound to provide maximum irritation to his successor. (I don't think that's the actual intention, but we can definitely look forward to some interesting tweetstorms from Trump in May.)

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#53
Why can the US president meddle with the sentence of a convict? Isn't that against the separation of powers?

Not that I have anything against this guy Manning in particular, just asking why is this "tolerable" in a democracy. Isn't it a risk, that the president can pardon whoever he wants?

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how much you wanna bet that Julian Assange will conveniently forget his agreement to be extradited if Manning gets pardoned? https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel...

the clemency is also 6 months into the future. presumably, at that time, things will in a slightly less absurdist position for someone like him. I cannot imagine him getting anything resembling a fair trial right now. In 6 months? sure.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am confident he will have a few tweets about this before tomorrow morning. Does anyone know if President Elect Trump has the authority to overturn this sentence commuting?

Subsequent presidents can "un-pardon" people pardoned by previous presidents, so I have a hard time imagining that a commutation is somehow immune to that kind of thing. EDIT: See follow-ups. I may be mistaken here, and need to run to a meeting, so I can't dig any more now. EDIT 2: http://swampland.time.com/2008/12/25/more-on-pardons/ Relevant quote, "Ulysses S. Grant’s first clemency decision, on his third day in of…

How can they unpardon them? The conviction has been undone, and we don't permit double jeopardy (constitutionally prohibited) so a second charge for the same crime can't be filed.

From my brief google searches, it seems that it cannot be undone, by the Congress, by the Courts, nor by the President.

Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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how much you wanna bet that Julian Assange will conveniently forget his agreement to be extradited if Manning gets pardoned? https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel...

Forget what? There was no pardon by Obama, so that agreement does not apply. Why would you want to detract from the good news of Chelsea having a release date in the very near future and conflate that with a different issue regarding Assange?

"If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ (US Department of Justice) case," WikiLeaks wrote on Twitter.

- https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel...

What is the difference between a commutation of sentence and a pardon?

In the federal system, commutation of sentence and pardon are different forms of executive clemency, which is a broad term that applies to the President’s constitutional power to exercise leniency toward persons who have committed federal crimes.

- https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions-co...

I.e.: commutation ∈ clemency.

Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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post #24

how much you wanna bet that Julian Assange will conveniently forget his agreement to be extradited if Manning gets pardoned? https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel...

He didn't pardon her.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713

"If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case"

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Good. I wish that he would just pardon her, though. I don't want the next administration to somehow undo this.

It won't be undone under Trump. If anything, he would grant immediate clemency or a pardon (though I don't expect either).

Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

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post #28

Sigh... The scheming and carefully crafted rhetoric that White House has developed against Snowden is just plain disgusting.

Ironically, Snowden likely skipped the country as part of his leak precisely because of what had happened to Manning. Claiming that there's mercy for him if he comes back for a last minute commute by an outgoing President after 7 years... I mean, who do they think they're fooling?

Precedents set for whistelblower treatment have not been very good the past decade.
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