how much you wanna bet that Julian Assange will conveniently forget his agreement to be extradited if Manning gets pardoned? https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel...
Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence
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#53Not that I have anything against this guy Manning in particular, just asking why is this "tolerable" in a democracy. Isn't it a risk, that the president can pardon whoever he wants?
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#54how much you wanna bet that Julian Assange will conveniently forget his agreement to be extradited if Manning gets pardoned? https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel...
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am confident he will have a few tweets about this before tomorrow morning. Does anyone know if President Elect Trump has the authority to overturn this sentence commuting?
Subsequent presidents can "un-pardon" people pardoned by previous presidents, so I have a hard time imagining that a commutation is somehow immune to that kind of thing. EDIT: See follow-ups. I may be mistaken here, and need to run to a meeting, so I can't dig any more now. EDIT 2: http://swampland.time.com/2008/12/25/more-on-pardons/ Relevant quote, "Ulysses S. Grant’s first clemency decision, on his third day in of…
From my brief google searches, it seems that it cannot be undone, by the Congress, by the Courts, nor by the President.
Re: Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence
#56how much you wanna bet that Julian Assange will conveniently forget his agreement to be extradited if Manning gets pardoned? https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel...
Forget what? There was no pardon by Obama, so that agreement does not apply. Why would you want to detract from the good news of Chelsea having a release date in the very near future and conflate that with a different issue regarding Assange?
- https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel...
What is the difference between a commutation of sentence and a pardon?
In the federal system, commutation of sentence and pardon are different forms of executive clemency, which is a broad term that applies to the President’s constitutional power to exercise leniency toward persons who have committed federal crimes.
- https://www.justice.gov/pardon/frequently-asked-questions-co...
I.e.: commutation ∈ clemency.
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#57how much you wanna bet that Julian Assange will conveniently forget his agreement to be extradited if Manning gets pardoned? https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-agrees-extradition-us-rel...
He didn't pardon her.
"If Obama grants Manning clemency Assange will agree to US extradition despite clear unconstitutionality of DoJ case"
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#58Good. I wish that he would just pardon her, though. I don't want the next administration to somehow undo this.
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#59Sigh... The scheming and carefully crafted rhetoric that White House has developed against Snowden is just plain disgusting.
Ironically, Snowden likely skipped the country as part of his leak precisely because of what had happened to Manning. Claiming that there's mercy for him if he comes back for a last minute commute by an outgoing President after 7 years... I mean, who do they think they're fooling?
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#60Now pardon Snowden