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The Case for Ubuntu Phone

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Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

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We really need something like "GNU phoneutils" ... a big package of command line utilities to control and manipulate a telephone. I really, really want to do things like this: cat file | sms -send -n 4157771234 grep mom addresses | awk (field with phonenumber) | dial --nobusy --retry 3 That is to say, I want a unix phone . I want to run the phone with unix and unix commands. Certainly not all of the time, but some of…

You kinda can do it on Android via Termux: https://termux.com/add-on-api.html

Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

#82
post #17

I would like to try Ubuntu Phone but I cannot find it anywhere. Canonical's page says that all devices are out of stock, various online stores say exactly the same thing, and all the devices that are listed as compatibile (Nexus 5 for instance) are two generations old and also hard to come by. The only option I haven't tried is buying used phone on eBay, because they usually come in pretty bad shape so I want brand n…

You could always flash your own...

https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/installing-ubu...

I've bit a little disappointed that Firefox OS didn't pan out

Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

#83
A interesting effort by Ubuntu that could have potentially enriched the ecosystem for users but hardware and drivers in the tightly closed Arm and Google ecosystem is a significant challenge. Or we would be able to install Linux on our devices ourselves.

Its curious these devices work flawlessly with Android but cannot even boot with Linux. Or if it boots none of the functionality works.

The drivers are there and they work on 'Linux' just fine but somehow they are never available on Linux. Folks here get worked up about insignificant chinese companies when this is totally in the control of Arm and Google.

Its now tiring to see open source developers struggle incessantly to get information from ARM for over 5 years and the ball is kicked from ARM to the OEM both claiming the other has denied permission and this goes on. There are always promises and excuses but never any results.

Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

#84
post #53

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Are the CDMA ones planning on moving to LTE?

They (Verizon, Sprint) already have, but they still use CDMA in outlying areas and for voice service. (Verizon, especially, is known for having the best rural service, at least in the rural areas near where I live.) Verizon does use SIM cards for LTE; I'm not sure about Spring but I'm guessing they do as well. Both still have the CDMA-carrier mindset of wanting only "their" devices on their networks. In the past they…

Can you buy SIM cards for Verizon/Sprint and the GSM carriers? Or do they force you to buy a phone that includes a SIM?

Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

#85

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I think the biggest thing that could probably help the Ubuntu Phone is an approachable development environment. If the road to developing apps for a phone is short enough, that people on their weekend make apps for it, it will expand rapidly with apps. This requires great tooling, and documentation. Potentially even adoption of a programming language that either comes with a powerful SDK or is tailored from the groun…

Curious why you say Go comes with a lot out of the box. Compared to Python or Java I find it pretty lacking. And even more so when you include 3rd party libraries and the fact that Go has no package manager ala. pip or Ivy. Android Studio is a pretty mature well documented way to make apps so if anyone is truly determined and has some programming experience, making a simple Android app in a weekend is doable. I've he…

> and the fact that Go has no package manager ala. pip or Ivy.

A featureful Go package manager a la Cargo or NPM is coming.

A not-so basic package manager is baked into the language and its official tooling. It just behaves like a Unix application, so instead of "pip uninstall package" you run "rm -rf $GOPATH/src/github.com/author/package" (or do it in your app's vendor directory, instead of using a virtualenv).

Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

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post #10

I applaud the OP's bravery, but after a long, long time in the telco business and having seen many attempts from multiple platforms towards gaining a foothold (Symbian, Maemo, LiMo - including Vodafone's own version - Bada, etc.), I have to point out that Ubuntu Phone, despite the vision and values behind it, is at a massively overwhelming disadvantage in terms of both telco appeal (what I and my former colleagues st…

I think the biggest thing that could probably help the Ubuntu Phone is an approachable development environment. If the road to developing apps for a phone is short enough, that people on their weekend make apps for it, it will expand rapidly with apps. This requires great tooling, and documentation. Potentially even adoption of a programming language that either comes with a powerful SDK or is tailored from the groun…

>We've seen this type of boom with Go.

Canonical was in fact funding development of go-qml, with the Ubuntu phone in mind.

It has unfortunately broken over time, although a fork exists maintained by the limetext developers.

There is a Qt (and QML) binding library at github.com/therecipe/qt which works, but is far less simple.

Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

#87
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They (Verizon, Sprint) already have, but they still use CDMA in outlying areas and for voice service. (Verizon, especially, is known for having the best rural service, at least in the rural areas near where I live.) Verizon does use SIM cards for LTE; I'm not sure about Spring but I'm guessing they do as well. Both still have the CDMA-carrier mindset of wanting only "their" devices on their networks. In the past they…

Can you buy SIM cards for Verizon/Sprint and the GSM carriers? Or do they force you to buy a phone that includes a SIM?

You could technically buy an unlocked phone and ask for a SIM Card though I've never done this so I cannot say how well this works. I'm on Sprint and my last few phones have had an internal SIM.

Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

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Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

#89
post #10

I applaud the OP's bravery, but after a long, long time in the telco business and having seen many attempts from multiple platforms towards gaining a foothold (Symbian, Maemo, LiMo - including Vodafone's own version - Bada, etc.), I have to point out that Ubuntu Phone, despite the vision and values behind it, is at a massively overwhelming disadvantage in terms of both telco appeal (what I and my former colleagues st…

> Symbian

Err?

Re: The Case for Ubuntu Phone

#90
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the CDMA ones planning on moving to LTE?

They (Verizon, Sprint) already have, but they still use CDMA in outlying areas and for voice service. (Verizon, especially, is known for having the best rural service, at least in the rural areas near where I live.) Verizon does use SIM cards for LTE; I'm not sure about Spring but I'm guessing they do as well. Both still have the CDMA-carrier mindset of wanting only "their" devices on their networks. In the past they…

My understanding is that Verizon CDMA use the 450mhz band. A band I have seen described as the butter zone for mobile communications (Also the band used for the initial Nordic NMT network).
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