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Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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post #32

The H1B program needs to be ended immediately. It's an outrageous giveaway to corporations. It represents deliberate attempt to reduce the relative price of labor in the American economy.

If his happens I'll pop 3 bottles of champagne and have the best weekend ever.

Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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post #34

I don't understand H1B visa program. Shouldn't we be forcing the H1B grantees to become citizens? Instead, we're training them on how to be a modern tech worker, and then shipping them back to where they came once the job is over (assuming that they can't line up another company to foot the legal bills of taking over their visa). Why? We have 700,000 new citizens every year. Let's make H1B part of the path-to-citizen…

Excuse me. The USA have a ridiculous system of world wide taxation (like Eritrea). Sufficiently qualified people might want to work there for a while, but not become citizens.

If you force the green card or even citizenship onto H1B employees, they might not want to come.

Furthermore, if you're on a green card (or a citizen), you're subject to the exit tax. On an H1B, you can avoid it for a few years at least.

Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I am sympathetic, perhaps those countries should solve these problems rather than emitting emigrants. The interval between opening new coal fired plants in China is on the order of days. If it wasn't possible to confuse H1B status with indentured servitude and wages were rising in the US, it would be a different thing. H1B makes feasible a lousy management style that perpetuates bad practice, which results in l…

That is ridiculous. It's trivial for a someone on H1B to switch employers.

Trivial? Not quite. Possible? Definitely, if you're competent and well rounded.

I'm not sure, but I suspect the outsourcing firms filter more by hard-working (i.e. hours put in) and not quality. After all, that's what people who hire outsourcing firms want. So then, when these poor people want to change jobs, there's not that many roles available. Contrast this to visa holders who work for big tech companies. With that on your CV, getting another role isn't hard.

Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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post #28
post #21

I think one of the main problems with the H1B visa program is that foreign workers are kept too long in a state of precarious residency. I work for a tech behemoth that imports an enormous workforce from overseas. My overall impression of my foreign colleagues is that they are very competent, hardworking people and the United States is better off for having them here. However, I'm uncomfortable with the kind of lever…

> If they've been here for a year or more, they should be able to quit their jobs if they want to without repercussions. To clarify: you absolutely can do that on an H1B. The problem is that you need to have a new job lined up to replace it, and that job needs to have gone through visa approval processes that can take up to three months (there is a grace period, I believe, of 30 days, soon to be extended to 60). This…

> there is a grace period, I believe, of 30 days, soon to be extended to 60

AFAIK there is no official grace period, but for practicality the USCIS does process some applications within an arbitrary time-frame.

Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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post #32

The H1B program needs to be ended immediately. It's an outrageous giveaway to corporations. It represents deliberate attempt to reduce the relative price of labor in the American economy.

Amen. People say there is a shortage of skilled labor. I just came out of a prestigious public CA university and can't find a job that pays a living wage. If coming out of a CS program with internships and I still don't have the skills maybe these companies should invest in training me as an entry level worker.

Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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post #28
post #21

I think one of the main problems with the H1B visa program is that foreign workers are kept too long in a state of precarious residency. I work for a tech behemoth that imports an enormous workforce from overseas. My overall impression of my foreign colleagues is that they are very competent, hardworking people and the United States is better off for having them here. However, I'm uncomfortable with the kind of lever…

> If they've been here for a year or more, they should be able to quit their jobs if they want to without repercussions. To clarify: you absolutely can do that on an H1B. The problem is that you need to have a new job lined up to replace it, and that job needs to have gone through visa approval processes that can take up to three months (there is a grace period, I believe, of 30 days, soon to be extended to 60). This…

> And if you're also applying for a green card sponsored by your company then you have additional issues

If you don't apply for Green Card sponsored by your company, you will have to leave after 6 years anyway - so these additional issues are almost always relevant too.

Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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post #35
post #32

The H1B program needs to be ended immediately. It's an outrageous giveaway to corporations. It represents deliberate attempt to reduce the relative price of labor in the American economy.

But that hasn't happened. Tech jobs have only increased in value. We still need more tech workers, and can't train them fast enough. Instead, we should be forcing citizenship on workers, encouraging them to stay here, start a family, etc. These are among the smartest and well-educated people in their former countries, and we have space for them.

Companies have no incentive to invest in training when they can brain-drain other countries for less, and force their terms on the people they bring over.

Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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post #42
post #34

I don't understand H1B visa program. Shouldn't we be forcing the H1B grantees to become citizens? Instead, we're training them on how to be a modern tech worker, and then shipping them back to where they came once the job is over (assuming that they can't line up another company to foot the legal bills of taking over their visa). Why? We have 700,000 new citizens every year. Let's make H1B part of the path-to-citizen…

Excuse me. The USA have a ridiculous system of world wide taxation (like Eritrea). Sufficiently qualified people might want to work there for a while, but not become citizens. If you force the green card or even citizenship onto H1B employees, they might not want to come. Furthermore, if you're on a green card (or a citizen), you're subject to the exit tax. On an H1B, you can avoid it for a few years at least.

Some people do, some people don't, but US policy should be concerned primarily with what's good for the US, not what foreigners would prefer.

Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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You cannot, as a culture, simultaneously underplay the importance of science and math education (nerds!!!) and complain when immigrants come in to occupy the high tech jobs. There is a big outrage about lack of high-paying jobs, yet there is rampant anti-intellectualism and discouragement of critical and analytical thinking which is needed for those jobs.

This has nothing to do with it. Minimizing salaries and a compliant workforce has everything to do with it.
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