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Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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Post by zer00eyz »

untog wrote: post #5

It's unfortunate that the title doesn't match the article content here. The article correctly identifies that nearly half of H1B don't go to Silicon Valley, they go to the outsourcing firms that hire foreign workers (usually Indian) and hold them as indentured servants (for a decade or more before they can get a green card) and hire them out to US companies as "consultants". It's a total scam, and it needs to be shut…

I would rather see reform in the process of making HB1 candidates citizens. Its a group of people that want to be here and many want to stay but the process is exceedingly painful. HB1 should be a faster path to becoming a citizen not a longer one.

Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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Post by ArkyBeagle »

btian wrote: post #3

People living in big cities in China and India can't breathe. Let's deny them the opportunity to contribute to the US economy. Next up - "don't let anyone import anything from other countries because I didn't raise any venture capital".

While I am sympathetic, perhaps those countries should solve these problems rather than emitting emigrants. The interval between opening new coal fired plants in China is on the order of days.

If it wasn't possible to confuse H1B status with indentured servitude and wages were rising in the US, it would be a different thing. H1B makes feasible a lousy management style that perpetuates bad practice, which results in lousy products.

Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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Post by ArkyBeagle »

zer00eyz wrote: post #6

As an american (born and raised) I dislike what has come of the HB1 program for many of the reasons that the author points out. I have quite a few friends on HB1 who have a hard path to citizenship, we need to make it easier for these talented people to get out from under the HB1 thumb and stay here as well. Attracting and keeping talent needs to be a bigger priority than it is.

H1B visas damage people. But then again, so do the university systems in China and India.

Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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Post by ArkyBeagle »

powera wrote: post #2

http://www.emergedigital.com/ is a parked-website landing page. I think the company was actually an ad agency rather than a "technology" company. But I can't even tell. Regardless, I don't see any reason to think he has actual success, or that his success would make him a credible authority on how Silicon Valley companies function.

Aren't all tech companies now effectively ad agencies?

Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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Post by davidw »

ArkyBeagle wrote: post #12
btian wrote: post #3

People living in big cities in China and India can't breathe. Let's deny them the opportunity to contribute to the US economy. Next up - "don't let anyone import anything from other countries because I didn't raise any venture capital".

While I am sympathetic, perhaps those countries should solve these problems rather than emitting emigrants. The interval between opening new coal fired plants in China is on the order of days. If it wasn't possible to confuse H1B status with indentured servitude and wages were rising in the US, it would be a different thing. H1B makes feasible a lousy management style that perpetuates bad practice, which results in l…

Unless you're a native american, someone could have made the same claim about your own ancestors, back in the day, no?

Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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Post by kartayyar »

What does "Cutting-edge digital advertising professionals" mean?

The article is very skim about the specifics of what the folks did.

The article mentions that some tech firms tried to recruit employees at this company, but that's no indicator of if this is the class of employee that companies recruit on H1Bs.

There is a wide variance in talent of people on H1Bs too, though this article has a very simplistic view which goes: "we didn't have access to H1Bs, so people were forced to learn and get better" without any understanding of what H1Bs do.

Your "cutting-edge digital advertising professional" is not an engineer.

Fully agree that the path forward to solving a tech talent shortage in the US is for the US to be internally competitive, but just learning on the job doesn't have the same rigor as pursuing 4 year and/or advanced STEM degrees.

Also, this company on LinkedIn has no information. Just 4 employees showing up, i.e. very hard to see if they have people doing engineer caliber work.

https://www.linkedin.com/vsearch/p?f_CC=2467546&trk=rr_conne...

Till as such point there is some evidence about the quality of work being done here being comparable to what a software engineer does as, I'm going to call BS on this article.

Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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Post by jonnii »

ebbv wrote: post #10

The H1-B visa program sucks. It indentures the immigrant to their employer. If their job sucks their options are really limited.

You can change jobs on an H1B, if you're planning on working in the US it's probably your best option unless you can quality for an O1. I can tell you most people on an E2, an L1 or comparable visa would give their left arm to be on an H1B if they have any intent to stay in the US.

Re: Don't Give Silicon Valley More H1B Visas

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Post by btian »

ArkyBeagle wrote: post #12
btian wrote: post #3

People living in big cities in China and India can't breathe. Let's deny them the opportunity to contribute to the US economy. Next up - "don't let anyone import anything from other countries because I didn't raise any venture capital".

While I am sympathetic, perhaps those countries should solve these problems rather than emitting emigrants. The interval between opening new coal fired plants in China is on the order of days. If it wasn't possible to confuse H1B status with indentured servitude and wages were rising in the US, it would be a different thing. H1B makes feasible a lousy management style that perpetuates bad practice, which results in l…

That is ridiculous. It's trivial for a someone on H1B to switch employers.
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