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Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by iblankm »

The energy crisis that sparked this crowdfunding campaign (to get a generator + fuel for Gaza's startups and developers) is now front page news...

For those of you who have been conflating all Gazans with Hamas, read this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38604904

Gaza electricity crisis: Hamas breaks up protest

Meanwhile, comedian Adel al-Mashwakhi was arrested hours after posting a video criticising Hamas, the Associated Press news agency reports. "There is no work, no crossings, no food, no water to drink and also there is no electricity," he said in the one-minute video, which has been watched more than 250,000 times. "Enough Hamas. Enough, enough, enough. We want electricity, we want electricity, we want electricity." Hamas has not commented.

Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by ghostDancer »

berntb wrote: post #107
ghostDancer wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one can believe that. That's one of the big lies of the Israeli government. Settlements will never be given back and the mission is to get all the land. That was the idea from the beginning and they think they have their god on their side.

So the basic problem is that the Jews and/or the democratic country are evil? Sigh... :-( Arafat got at least two offers for a Palestinian state (at Camp David and once later), with about 91% of the West Bank iirc. The later offer was when Barak needed Arafat's support of a peace agreement before an election (so the Palestinian side had a good negotiating position). Arafat didn't accept either -- which was one thing.…

I was only saying that Israel government lies , i have not said that jews are evil. So stop lying and putting words i have not said. I have not even said that Palestinian government is good. I feel sorry for people like you , so brainwashed that can not even see reality.

Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by Cyph0n »

kirillkh wrote: post #81
Cyph0n wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not respond because you are oversimplifying the issue. The history of the Israel-Palestine conflict is long and bloody. Claiming in such a confident and final manner that the building of the wall was because Gaza started is very narrow-sighted. Your analogy is incorrect. When a sovereign nation attacks another, war ensues. That is very clear. But when resistance elements arise within a city that is supposedly p…

Do you truly believe that Israel carpet bombs Gaza, or is it just a figure of speech (to make an impression on a reader who doesn't know better)? This is carpet bombing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phzRY0DdRXk This is a typical Israeli strike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAT1uBNcOHU And while we're at it, this is indiscriminate bombing of an Israeli town of Sderot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRz3nHwgjHY

My bad. Let's call it "indiscriminate bombing" instead then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqAmIcIpq_4

The "knock on the door" technique employed by the IDF seems very considerate by the way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjxsrqCdl-4

Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by berntb »

grzm wrote: post #139
berntb wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll add a comment here so DanBC sees it. You have a point, I am easily trolled when people lack arguments and start discussing person. Regarding earlier comments... I got mainly upvotes, until an hour ago. I have argued, a year or two ago, that this subject have to much emotional attachments and doesn't work on HN. It is twice as true today, it seems people now often have secondary accounts used for trolling when th…

I don't think what you're seeing is the action of secondary accounts. The tone of a number of your comments has been rude and aggressive, and the accusations of other users is also uncivil. You've been called out by a mod, and at least two other members have commented on your behavior. I've downvoted and flagged a number of your comments as well. You may be right about the topic not being appropriate for HN. Regardle…

OK, after thinking about this.

I have problems with non serious debaters that argue dishonestly. This is a subject where people write dishonest propaganda and where I have read a bit.

I can handle a few dishonest debaters, see previous comments, but there were too many here.

I guess the hateful people won. :-)

(I don't really have any interest in the subject matter, for a few I years I followed my native media with NYT/BBC/Washington Post.)

Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by wslh »

ghostDancer wrote: post #142
berntb wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the basic problem is that the Jews and/or the democratic country are evil? Sigh... :-( Arafat got at least two offers for a Palestinian state (at Camp David and once later), with about 91% of the West Bank iirc. The later offer was when Barak needed Arafat's support of a peace agreement before an election (so the Palestinian side had a good negotiating position). Arafat didn't accept either -- which was one thing.…

I was only saying that Israel government lies , i have not said that jews are evil. So stop lying and putting words i have not said. I have not even said that Palestinian government is good. I feel sorry for people like you , so brainwashed that can not even see reality.

Saying that the Israel government lies when every government lies doesn't add anything to the discussion. The difference is that Israel in his very short history has shown that they can exchange land for peace in an extent no other country recently did after winning wars from the weaker side.

The lies you are talking about are just part of a long term negotiation until Hamas recognizes the right of Israel to exist and live in peace. Once this milestone is achieved, Israel will not have any excuse to move forward with the peace process because the Israelis, and the jewish people will not tolerate more excuses.

Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by kirillkh »

Cyph0n wrote: post #143
kirillkh wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you truly believe that Israel carpet bombs Gaza, or is it just a figure of speech (to make an impression on a reader who doesn't know better)? This is carpet bombing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phzRY0DdRXk This is a typical Israeli strike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAT1uBNcOHU And while we're at it, this is indiscriminate bombing of an Israeli town of Sderot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRz3nHwgjHY

My bad. Let's call it "indiscriminate bombing" instead then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqAmIcIpq_4 The "knock on the door" technique employed by the IDF seems very considerate by the way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjxsrqCdl-4

What makes you think bombing in that video was indiscriminate? On the opposite, I see single buildings being destroyed, while the neighbouring buildings stay intact. That's a very precise strike by any standard. Furthermore, there is nothing to convince me these buildings were not occupied by Hamas terrorists (which are known to hide behind civilian population).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70Oqo_wmuGo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcrWy3PT6zc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPU4UN03t7E

And yes, I agree with you that knocking on the roof is a very considerate "last warning". Which other country goes to such lengths to minimize civilian loss of life? There are early warnings, too, though: by phone, text and leaflets. That's why you don't see any people running out of that house: it is already empty.

Re: Marc Benioff joins Valley notables backing Gaza’s first coding academy

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Post by ghostDancer »

wslh wrote: post #145
ghostDancer wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was only saying that Israel government lies , i have not said that jews are evil. So stop lying and putting words i have not said. I have not even said that Palestinian government is good. I feel sorry for people like you , so brainwashed that can not even see reality.

Saying that the Israel government lies when every government lies doesn't add anything to the discussion. The difference is that Israel in his very short history has shown that they can exchange land for peace in an extent no other country recently did after winning wars from the weaker side. The lies you are talking about are just part of a long term negotiation until Hamas recognizes the right of Israel to exist an…

See, this is a reasonable presentation of ideas, not accusing me of being hateful, thanks for being polite and stating your points. Maybe i don't agree with you, i still don't believe that Israel wants to give back anything when they are building more every year. So the exchanges of land they are so proud is returning land they have stolen before so nothing to be proud of. Apart from that i still think that Hamas is stupid not trying to reach a real peace, it would be good for all, cause having a neighbor like Israel could help to accelerate the development of a Palestinian state. IMHO the problem is that both sides think they can win and the other side lose and that makes real efforts for peace look they are in vain.
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