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Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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Post by weberc2 »

pjmlp wrote: post #181
weberc2 wrote: post #177

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Unfortunately, the cross platform UI alternatives are all terrible.

I don't consider Qt, wxWidgets, Swing, JavaFX, FireMonkey, terrible. For me it looks like web devs that don't want to learn native APIs.

In my experience building Qt apps for a major automotive manufacturer (and more recently, building a web app), the latter is much easier, even if you know C++ and Qt and have mediocre knowledge of web tech. If you don't know C++, then add 6-24 months to the Qt estimate, and expect it to have more bugs than an Appalachian motel.

Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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Post by robinhood »

electic wrote: post #116

I still find this native client is the best: https://macos.telegram.org/ . It is wicked fast vs. QT version.

I agree. I've installed Telegram Desktop, played with it, and revert to the native macOS client a few hours later. I don't care about animations at all or even the themes. I also didn't like the fact that the icon keeps jumping when receiving new messages. The macOS version works better for my personal preference.

Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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Post by pjmlp »

weberc2 wrote: post #191
pjmlp wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't consider Qt, wxWidgets, Swing, JavaFX, FireMonkey, terrible. For me it looks like web devs that don't want to learn native APIs.

In my experience building Qt apps for a major automotive manufacturer (and more recently, building a web app), the latter is much easier, even if you know C++ and Qt and have mediocre knowledge of web tech. If you don't know C++, then add 6-24 months to the Qt estimate, and expect it to have more bugs than an Appalachian motel.

How much QML in total application size did you use?

Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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Post by roddux »

akjainaj wrote: post #18
roddux wrote: post #15

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This should be the top reply. I thought this was common knowledge on HN?

It is, but understand that not everybody cares too much about privacy, and Telegram is good--usually reliable, nice apps on all platforms, synced chats, almost limitless file storage, etc.

That may be true, but Signal offers almost an equal value proposition (unless I've missed something amazing about Telegram) whilst remaining the better option.

I know too well that not enough people care about privacy, sadly.

Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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Post by edem »

lucb1e wrote: post #185
edem wrote: post #159

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> Personally I don't mind, since everyone's on Telegram. I don't know a single person who is on Telegram. My friends have not even heard of it despite the fact that they all talk online and a good percentage of them are developers. Why would I start using it if no one I know uses it?

Because that's how it gets started. Bad example: I knew nobody on Google+ but I made some new friends. The network died again, or at least I stopped using it after a year and a half or something, so it's a bad example in that it didn't work out in the end, but yeah that's how things get started. Why do you think the first million people got Whatsapp? If you don't try something new and convince at least one other pers…

Why would I want to use telegram in the first place?

Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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Post by lucb1e »

edem wrote: post #195
lucb1e wrote: post #185

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Because that's how it gets started. Bad example: I knew nobody on Google+ but I made some new friends. The network died again, or at least I stopped using it after a year and a half or something, so it's a bad example in that it didn't work out in the end, but yeah that's how things get started. Why do you think the first million people got Whatsapp? If you don't try something new and convince at least one other pers…

Why would I want to use telegram in the first place?

1. It's not Facebook's

2. The clients are open source (for me that's a moral reason)

3. Secret chats are verifiably encrypted

4. You can make your own client if you want, causing:

4.1. Someone used a custom client (tgcli) to create a backup feature, which I extended to make html exports like MSN had (quite a future-proof and readable format). This prevents lock-in.

4.2. You are much less restricted in your choice of operating system, given you or someone else takes the effort of porting or writing a client.

5. The existing desktop client is native and doesn't require your phone to be turned on and have data active.

6. The clients have lots of features like custom themes, sending large files, setting up a username which can be linked to publicly, creating broadcast channels, pinned chats, etc. I'm not sure how much of this whatsapp implemented by now. It's true that Telegram also copied other products a lot, but they added lots of features that competitors didn't have, but nowadays they do (it made the market more innovative again).

I'm also not saying everyone should move to Telegram. Some monopolies are better than others (some are owned by Facebook & other things I just mentioned) but all monopolies are bad.

Additionally Whatsapp has some advantages like calling and knowing what the profit model is. The latter is actually my greatest worry about Telegram, but everything considered, Telegram is the best thing currently available in my opinion.

Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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Post by weberc2 »

pjmlp wrote: post #193
weberc2 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience building Qt apps for a major automotive manufacturer (and more recently, building a web app), the latter is much easier, even if you know C++ and Qt and have mediocre knowledge of web tech. If you don't know C++, then add 6-24 months to the Qt estimate, and expect it to have more bugs than an Appalachian motel.

How much QML in total application size did you use?

Our application largely predated QML, so none.

Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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Post by runn1ng »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #99
runn1ng wrote: post #84

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I don't get it. Why is native better than browser application? Browser application is by definition better sandboxed and can do much less damage to the system. Normal application can do mayhem. And Telegram needs root access for installation... do I want to give it root access? When I can just open another tab?

Electron apps are still native apps and have the same security story. They just include a browser.

Oooh, people are comparing native and Electron apps. Then yeah, in that case native makes sense.

I thought they are talking about the chrome app version of telegram, which I am using right now.

Re: Telegram Desktop reaches version 1.0

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Post by runn1ng »

nicoulaj wrote: post #184
stiGGG wrote: post #126

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And i don't get it, why kids today want only a browser. All that flame wars about the best window manager we fought and now we end up with one window only and a fucking tab bar?

Don't worry, they will invent tiling window managers inside a browser tab next.

Isn't Opera experimenting on that now? :)
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