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Re: Nintendo Switch

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Post by cannam »

inDigiNeous wrote: post #224
eltoozero wrote: post #84

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Dolphin EMU really highlights how strong and under-appreciated so many of the GameCube gen games are: Viewtiful Joe, F-Zero X, Luigi's Mansion, Mario Sunshine, Pikmin, Wind Waker, and especially the Metroid Prime series are outgrageously good games. Hard to think of any real bombs in that entire library TBH.

Oh man, games like F-Zero GX, you just don't get this stuff on Sony or Microsoft consoles. Also Metroid Prime, Super Smash Bros Melee! Stuff of legends. 4 player support on the same couch? Damn. Gamecube might have been the best console from Nintendo in my view.

F-Zero GX I still play quite often (agonisingly badly, but at the moment I'm still a bit better at it than my kids are). I'd love to see another F-Zero.

Also of course the two excellent Zelda games. What a fab console.

Re: Nintendo Switch

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Post by vanderZwan »

72deluxe wrote: post #236
inDigiNeous wrote: post #224

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Oh man, games like F-Zero GX, you just don't get this stuff on Sony or Microsoft consoles. Also Metroid Prime, Super Smash Bros Melee! Stuff of legends. 4 player support on the same couch? Damn. Gamecube might have been the best console from Nintendo in my view.

Yes F-Zero GX after coffee was fun. So so fast. I have sold my Gamecube but hold the Wind Waker in my heart as a game I could play and play. I simply loved sailing around in that little boat in a happy cartoon land. It's the one game my wife would happily watch me play for hours on end. Wario World was also very good but I never completed it - kept getting stuck on the magical mirror level

I used to live about ~20 minutes out of town by bike (Netherlands). My friends used to say that the biggest problem with coming by to play F-Zero is that the bike ride home always felt so ridiculously slow afterwards.

Re: Nintendo Switch

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Post by exDM69 »

rangibaby wrote: post #210
eltoozero wrote: post #96

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Comparing the N64 and PSX is painful on many levels, I've always found the polygon tearing effect on the PSX extremely distracting and off-putting visually. (This artifact is an apparent result a lack of floating point support[0]) However the massive size of disc based PSX games vs N64 carts yielded visual variety that we just didn't get on the N64. Not to mention the music, although N64 Tetrisphere's amazing music b…

It's not tearing, it's called affine swim, and on PC is a tell tale sign of a software renderer. Overall the N64 was ok (I had one). The PS2 was so much better though, there was just a way better variety of good games. N64 kind of sucked if you didn't want to play Goldeneye, Zelda or Super Mario 64 clones. Also, Tetrisphere! There is a game I had forgotten about. It was so good!

> It's not tearing, it's called affine swim, and on PC is a tell tale sign of a software renderer.

I've never hear the term "affine swim" before. Is it an artifact in rasterization (leaving gaps between triangles) or texturing (the term "affine" suggests that)?

For the rasterization, I've heard the term "watertight rasterization" (or airtight?) being used for a gapless rasterizer. It's not necessarily a software vs. hardware render issue, you can implement a watertight software rasterizer (of course) but I guess in the 1990s this was a performance vs. fidelity issue. And even with early 3d accelerators, the vertex processing was still done in the CPU.

Re: Nintendo Switch

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Post by throwaway1892 »

eridius wrote: post #155
blakeyrat wrote: post #139

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> I love Nintendo and am a huge fan. But part of me can't help but wish Nintendo would just straight up compete with Sony and Microsoft. Well I don't love Nintendo, I think their consoles are pretty gimmicky and sales are fueled mostly by nostalgia and rehashing the same game titles over and over again (the Switch is getting a Zelda title and a Mario title? What a shocker!) I honestly don't believe Nintendo is capabl…

> rehashing the same game titles over and over again (the Switch is getting a Zelda title and a Mario title? What a shocker!) You say that like this is a bad thing. Nintendo isn't just making the same games over and over again. Every new Mario game, and every new Zelda game, brings something new to the genre. For example, Super Mario Galaxy was a very innovative and award-winning game that had a very unique and well-…

> Typically the best games on the whole platform.

Also perhaps the only worthwhiles games on Nintendo's consoles.

Re: Nintendo Switch

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Post by vanderZwan »

kibwen wrote: post #29
dcw303 wrote: post #4

I had to laugh when during the livestream they were going through each of the innovations of their past systems, and the only thing they could mention about the Gamecube was that it had a handle :) But overall I think they continue to show real innovation in gaming. They're the only company who puts so much effort into maximizing their software with the uniqueness of their hardware.

Haven't watched the presentation yet, but I believe the GCN might have been the first console to come standard with "analog" shoulder buttons (dutifully demonstrated by its use in Mario Sunshine to control the spraying power of the backpack). EDIT: Oh also, the Wavebird controller was the first wireless first-party controller.

> "analog" shoulder buttons

I think they also introduced the "click" if you pushed all the way down. Such a satisfying, IBM Model M-esque feeling.

Re: Nintendo Switch

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Post by JetSetWilly »

threeseed wrote: post #208
fsloth wrote: post #137

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As years go by the less I'm convinced that the platform with the fastest hardware is the best. With consoles, on the technical front, I want constant fluid framerates and predictability. For instance, I fail to see how PS4 Witcher 3 could be better than Witcher 3 on XBox one by any standard I care about when gaming (and I'm a professional graphics programmer). That said, yes, it seems Sony is winning this generation…

No PS4 is winning because of their exclusives. When you have Uncharted 4 for example as GOTY it makes it very hard for people not to choose your console. The reason the hardware is important is because games like Uncharted, Last of Us etc (which are system sellers) stand apart from the likes of Witcher 3 because of the ability to use the superior hardware to product superior graphics. I would argue this is just as im…

The Witcher 3 is much more open world than Uncharted 4. I don't think this is a matter of optimising for the specific hardware, it is mainly the trade-offs inherent in a large open world game vs a linear game with small well defined levels. They each optimise for different values.

Re: Nintendo Switch

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Post by jmkni »

agd wrote: post #231
ericzawo wrote: post #42

That[1] was masterful marketing of an upcoming videogame console on all fronts. From the beginning it emphasises mobility with a (hopefully good!) smartphone app to manage online/local wifi matches, as well as multiple levels of play while on the go. It's reasonably priced (matches current generation in total at the register) and has an incredibly diverse range of titles to be excited about this calendar year. It man…

'Nintendo absolutely killed it' I'm afraid I have to disagree. Here's why: - price: much more expensive than most people were expecting (£280 vs for example, £200 for a PS4 with a game) - battery life: potentially only 2.5 hours? Really not good enough for a handheld. - storage: only 32gb, will run out very quickly - online offering weak vs ps4/xbox as only NES/SNES games and you only get them for a month - very few…

Where can I get a PS4 with a game for £200?

Re: Nintendo Switch

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Post by agd »

jmkni wrote: post #247
agd wrote: post #231

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'Nintendo absolutely killed it' I'm afraid I have to disagree. Here's why: - price: much more expensive than most people were expecting (£280 vs for example, £200 for a PS4 with a game) - battery life: potentially only 2.5 hours? Really not good enough for a handheld. - storage: only 32gb, will run out very quickly - online offering weak vs ps4/xbox as only NES/SNES games and you only get them for a month - very few…

Where can I get a PS4 with a game for £200?

If you google 'uk ps4 deals' it's the top result.

Re: Nintendo Switch

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Post by Roritharr »

martin_bech wrote: post #237
gambiting wrote: post #233

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Absolutely agree. This whole presentation just shown that Nintendo excels at killing good hype. I know several people(including me) who were going to preorder today as soon as they could, but after the news dropped about the price and how late the games are going to arrive, no one did. I work at a large games publisher, sitting in the office full of people who are full-on gaming enthusiasts, and I haven't yet met a s…

I feel the exact same way.. Its basicly a Nintendo 2DS XXXL, with awful battery, a stand HDMI, and next to no games. And its pretty much priced as a PS4 PRO, with 1 tb storage. The games are on cartridges.. what year is this?

The WiiU already supported Downloading Games from their store, i'd expect this to be able to do the same, the question is just how big of an SD Card you want to cram in there.

Re: Nintendo Switch

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Post by panic »

teddyh wrote: post #215

The gaming community’s receptions to the Switch seems to be somewhat sceptical: http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=382 https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2016/10/26/youth-adjacent

To be clear, these cartoons are from 2016 and aren't based on yesterday's presentation.
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