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Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by Kostic »

StavrosK wrote: post #4

This made me realize how little innovation there is in the browser space today. Opera used to innovate extensively before the sale, and it looks like at least they're trying to keep doing it. I'm also hopeful for Vivaldi. Chrome and Firefox are completely stagnant, unfortunately.

I am really blown away by Vivaldi but I can't, sadly, start using a closed source browser. Browsers are an important (maybe the most important) programs today. I simply can't allow myself to get locked into a closed source browser today.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by draw_down »

StavrosK wrote: post #4

This made me realize how little innovation there is in the browser space today. Opera used to innovate extensively before the sale, and it looks like at least they're trying to keep doing it. I'm also hopeful for Vivaldi. Chrome and Firefox are completely stagnant, unfortunately.

Boy oh boy, I dunno about that, particularly Chrome.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by taivare »

FlorianRappl wrote: post #170
satysin wrote: post #163

This is what Microsoft Edge should be doing (innovating) and not just trying to cram in Microsoft services like OneNote. Honestly Edge is still such an awful browser and it is the default browser in Windows 10 which has been out for 18+ months now. Shocking.

I wouldn't call it horrible, but starting from their promised solution (IE without all the crap; lightweight + innovative) not much is delivered. The browser feels buggy and slow and I do not see much innovation.

SVG brakes badly in Edge , I check all the time , they'll run fine in Chrome and Firefox but not Edge !

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by sprokolopolis »

This is a really neat concept that seems to be inspired by some of the mobile browsers out there. Flynx, Flyperlink and Link Bubble all use the (facebook-chathead-style) bubbles that sit over other apps and the UI. They are very convenient on mobile and allow you to do other things, while pages are loading. In my opinion, this browser consumes too much screen space with the browser windows being smaller windows inside the Neon container. I would prefer if they ditched the outermost container window and let the bubbles handle the hiding/moving of the browser, like the mobile browsers I mentioned above. Maybe there is a bubble that lives in the top right that sucks up and hides all browser bubbles and interface elements, then invokes them all when the user wants to show the browser again. I welcome any experimentation and innovation in the browser space. I do really like the idea of easily-tiling browser windows. In the future, I would love to be able to adjust the size and padding of the bubbles to allow more viewing space in the browser windows.

The original Opera had cascading, individual windows within the browser, before switching to tabs. They have sort of come full circle.

I currently use opera as my primary browser, but I really miss the tab spaces that Firefox had. I feel like the bubble concept provides a great opportunity for pinned bubble groups that contain groups of websites that I use together. I could have a meta bubble for sites that I use specifically for work, or for my favorite news sites.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by serge2k »

snowwolf wrote: post #38
StavrosK wrote: post #4

This made me realize how little innovation there is in the browser space today. Opera used to innovate extensively before the sale, and it looks like at least they're trying to keep doing it. I'm also hopeful for Vivaldi. Chrome and Firefox are completely stagnant, unfortunately.

Ahh, the paradox of being the market leader. Remember when Chrome tried to innovate with how we use bookmarks? [1] People cry out for innovation, but then freak out when said innovation happens. This is why disrupters are so successful - they can do something crazy and people will try it out and think - this is amazing. Because the mindset/psychology is that this is something new. But the market leader implements exa…

> Adding an example of recent Firefox innovation

I think this is a poor example, this does nothing to make the browser better at browsing the web. It's just a feature no one asked for, that has loads of alternatives already. Why do I need video calling built in?

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by nickpsecurity »

nialv7 wrote: post #159
erpellan wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution is not to try to disrupt the main product but to artificially compete with it. Google could release a new, unbranded browser with all the experimental features. Early adopters would flock to it, the comfortable majority would happily stick with what they know. Win win.

Except now Google would have to maintain TWO massively complex project. Also they kind of just did what you suggested with Duo,Allo and Hangouts.

They only will if it proves worthwhile. Also, it can reuse components from Chrome where possible.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by flukus »

erpellan wrote: post #152
snowwolf wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ahh, the paradox of being the market leader. Remember when Chrome tried to innovate with how we use bookmarks? [1] People cry out for innovation, but then freak out when said innovation happens. This is why disrupters are so successful - they can do something crazy and people will try it out and think - this is amazing. Because the mindset/psychology is that this is something new. But the market leader implements exa…

The solution is not to try to disrupt the main product but to artificially compete with it. Google could release a new, unbranded browser with all the experimental features. Early adopters would flock to it, the comfortable majority would happily stick with what they know. Win win.

You can also make things optional and opt-in (at least for existing users). With browsers they can be extensions too, no need to shove it in everyone's face.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by stonogo »

rch wrote: post #65

Before leaping to vehement criticism (as I almost did), recall that Opera's market includes televisions and video games. A physics engine for browser chrome and a name-recognizable designer actually make some sense here. Still missing the old Opera though - I use neither televisions nor game consoles. -- http://www.operasoftware.com/press/releases/devices/giving-g...

Opera's embedded browsers still use Presto. I wonder if this is an attempt to replace that.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by stymaar »

avar wrote: post #2

For anyone hoping for a Presto revival it's Chrome under the hood: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_12_2) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/53.0.2785.21 Safari/537.36 MMS/1.0.2459.0

It is most likely Blink under the hood[1], but the user agent doesn't give you any information on that subject.

This is Edge's user agent:

    Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/42.0.2311.135 Safari/537.36 Edge/12
It's almost the same except the MMS/number being replaced by Edge/number, and Edge is using a totally different engine than Chrome.

[1] business-wise I don't see any good reason to revive a engine dead for 4 years (Presto) or even worst, develop a brand new one.

Re: Opera Neon concept browser

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Post by dchest »

rahilb wrote: post #96

I thought it was interesting that they specify the Desktop Wallpaper is free. I wondered if anyone had ever paid for desktop wallpaper: apparently people do http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=desktop+wallpaper&LH_Com... I wonder if I could write a script to sell royalty free wallpaper on ebay, if all the sellers have the rights to the images they are selling, and what kind of person pays for wallpaper.

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