Opera 12: http://i.imgur.com/ItevlTB.png
Just saying...
Opera Neon concept browser
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't need my browser to "innovate". It just needs to continue doing it what it does best - consistently render a presentation layer. All of the innovation should be under the hood (which it appears Chrome/Firefox have been doing)
So you don't use bookmarks or tabs?
tabs, but I use https://pinboard.in/
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#143Split screen mode is such a good idea and I wonder why other browsers haven't implemented that yet. Would make devices like Chromebooks a lot more productive to me.
Chromebooks can do split screen mode. But over the years, the extent and capability has gone up and down from feature-rich and complicated to simple-and-uninnovative.
I forget what it is like now.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
window management is the operating system's job, not the browser's. you can do split screen in any browser by putting two windows beside each other.
While you have a point, I think there are plenty of examples where application managed multi-panes are useful. * Emacs (and other text editors) * IDEs * Terminals * etc... Man, if I found a browser that gave me expressive enough keyboard shortcuts to make using a mouse optional (like Emacs) I would be switch to it in a heartbeat. Heck, Emacs style pane management and buffer switching might be enough.
Perhaps you'll like Vimperator.
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ahh, the paradox of being the market leader. Remember when Chrome tried to innovate with how we use bookmarks? [1] People cry out for innovation, but then freak out when said innovation happens. This is why disrupters are so successful - they can do something crazy and people will try it out and think - this is amazing. Because the mindset/psychology is that this is something new. But the market leader implements exa…
Why does it have to be constantly changing? What some see as stagnant, others see as completeness Honestly I don't want new features on Chrome or Firefox. They are fine how they are -- though I wish Mozilla would take out the value-added services they just had to add. Release security updates and that's it
What if Chrome could give you a back massage though? Firefox cook you dinner?
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#146This made me realize how little innovation there is in the browser space today. Opera used to innovate extensively before the sale, and it looks like at least they're trying to keep doing it. I'm also hopeful for Vivaldi. Chrome and Firefox are completely stagnant, unfortunately.
Chrome is semi-stagnant because it's dominant, which means not much drive to change. I wouldn't call Firefox stagnant. It's just got E10S (multiprocess). The Quantum project promises to gradually improve both speed and stability (and consequentially security). They are working on replacing the traditional Firefox extensions archetecture with WebExtensions. Fennec (Firefox on Android) is an underappreciated gem. I'm p…
A lot of major extensions still turn off e10s, so no, it isn't here yet.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why does it have to be constantly changing? What some see as stagnant, others see as completeness Honestly I don't want new features on Chrome or Firefox. They are fine how they are -- though I wish Mozilla would take out the value-added services they just had to add. Release security updates and that's it
What if Chrome could give you a back massage though? Firefox cook you dinner?
Still don't want it, a human being is probably better at those things
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#148I really like the concept, and I want to use it in full-screen mode (to make it feel more like a first-level OS experience even if it isn't), but sadly once you open a website in full-screen, the rest of the browser chrome goes away. Of course there are times when I'd want it that way, but there should probably be a separate option for full-screen with the browser chrome. I know this is basically just an early protot…
So this is my problem too but somehow I've managed to do it.
I've went into the Mission Control state and dragged the Neon app into a new screen. It was a pleasant full-screen experience with only the app full-screen and not an individual tab, which is what I expect from the full-screen mode.
Problem is when I tried it again, it didn't work. Not sure what's wrong but this is a newly released software so I'm sure they'll fix it.
Apart from that, it's really amazing. I especially LOVED the media control features.
edit: Got it now. Go into the full-screen mode when there no active tabs. Works perfectly after that.
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's true but there are counter examples: For instance, I'm very thankful that my text editor and terminal allow me to split panes within their window rather than through multiple instances handled by the OS. I seem to prefer having panes/tabs vs window instances when alt-tabbing. Especially if I have two browsers splitting my viewport and a couple full sized browsers. This makes it very annoying to alt-tab only be…
Isn't that an argument for better window management, not redoing it in a slightly different way in every single application? Of course, putting better window management in the OS would require the OS to offer hooks for 'new tab' etc, and then all the applications would have to be changed to use that facility instead of their own, which isn't particularly likely to happen any time soon.
Yeah, sounds what he really needs is i3.
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
What does that even mean? They're sparing a potential competitor the entire R&D cost of a modern, cross-platform browser. I don't think Google developed Chrome out of sheer altruism but it's probably cheaper now to compete in the browser space than ever. It's unlikely to be profitable, though, in itself.
That means Chrome is a very important strategic asset for Google, perhaps their most important one that end users can run. Imagine there was no Chrome and say FF held 70% of the browser market share. They'd would hold Google by the balls, and could do stuff like: Nag the user to use their search engine/mail suite, have bugs that kill Google products, delay features that'd be very important to Google (e.g. webm),...
I don't think that addresses my question. How did Google developing Chrome 'monopolize the market' or make it 'very expensive for competitors', the claims the person I'm replying to was making (if I understood them right, which I wasn't entirely sure of to begin with)