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China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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I like the phrase "grim meathook future"

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Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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China is fascinating. On one hand... - China has done better than any other country on Earth at poverty reduction. Chinese policy since Deng Xiaoping lifted hundreds of millions of people out of subsistence poverty. Free markets were a big part of this, but so were Special Economic Zones starting with Shenzhen, a culture of sharing IP, massive govt investments in infrastructure, research and education. - China are al…

Sorry, but judging by how things are going in western nations, especially in the USA, we're more likely to emulate their "mistakes and authoritarian overreach" before we even break ground on that rail from SF to LA.

Yup, the US is increasingly heading towards the worst of both. We're investing massively in building a police state, while completely neglecting infrastructure and quality of life.

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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This our terrifying future in America - the incoming administration has very scant regard for civil liberties, and is filled with business insiders who worship money above all else. Add to this the fact that both legislative chambers are controlled by the same party who is "tough" on crime. For profit or to ostensibly address Terrorism expect surveillance to get much worse.

> the incoming administration has very scant regard for civil liberties Sorry, they were eroded long before. This is why people must remain vigilant whether it is the person they voted for or not. http://images.dailykos.com/images/330962/story_image/1249.pn...

That's actually a problem. Most people defend the people they voted like is part of themselves just so they don't have to admit they made a mistake.

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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The article says they are through the government. This includes immigration records, telecom GPS information, financial transactions, etc. Most of it is not coming through social media sites.

The government collects and organizes the data, but presumably there's no Chinese government website offering citizens access to this database. Who exfiltrates the data and sells it? Corrupt officials is an obvious answer. Or hackers- given all the terrifying hacks of U.S. government databases that are reported, its likely as not Chinese databases are just as vulnerable, and they're much less likely to inform the pub…

This is a good video about the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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Apparently its origin is https://nullrefer.com/?https://www.jwz.org/blog/2005/09/the-... (which I didn't know). Edit: thanks to people in this thread for pointing out JWZ's anti-HN redirection and a workaround to hide the referer header.

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Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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Many people might not know, in US, credit card transactions/payments are on sale by various sources. There's a very active market for this and some fintech startups are solely based on this kind of data. Since most of our financial life is based on credit card, we are under surveillance at a micro level in a similar situation. The issue is we not only use 'services', we handle data to the service providers. Data unde…

You can opt out of all data sharing for your accounts in the United States. It's a hassle, but at least you can do it.

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Sorry, but judging by how things are going in western nations, especially in the USA, we're more likely to emulate their "mistakes and authoritarian overreach" before we even break ground on that rail from SF to LA.

That is incredibly depressing. Good chance you're right, but that doesnt mean we should give up. Politics is critical, and as technologists we can't just opt out and hope things will work out. We have to win these fights.

But we can't really discuss these type of issues at length on HN. It'd be deemed to political.

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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Apparently its origin is https://nullrefer.com/?https://www.jwz.org/blog/2005/09/the-... (which I didn't know). Edit: thanks to people in this thread for pointing out JWZ's anti-HN redirection and a workaround to hide the referer header.

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I tried presenting the bit.ly link as HTTPS to avoid making the link use HTTP.

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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Sorry, but judging by how things are going in western nations, especially in the USA, we're more likely to emulate their "mistakes and authoritarian overreach" before we even break ground on that rail from SF to LA.

That is incredibly depressing. Good chance you're right, but that doesnt mean we should give up. Politics is critical, and as technologists we can't just opt out and hope things will work out. We have to win these fights.

As technologists, we're often the ones implementing and designing the systems, infrastructure and algorithms that make such a thing not only possible, but likely :(
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