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China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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Post by yueq »

Many people might not know, in US, credit card transactions/payments are on sale by various sources. There's a very active market for this and some fintech startups are solely based on this kind of data. Since most of our financial life is based on credit card, we are under surveillance at a micro level in a similar situation.

The issue is we not only use 'services', we handle data to the service providers. Data under their custody is usually stored and transferred with less secure protection, like on a thumbdrive or sent by email attachments. I don't see this situation will get any better soon.

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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Post by rosser »

privong wrote: post #10
rosser wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your doctor or hospital hosts data in AWS? Pretty sure HIPAA doesn't count in this case. False. I work for a company in the education space that uses AWS. We're unambiguously bound by FERPA. It is inconceivable to me that a stricter law like HIPAA wouldn't also bind cloud-based companies. EDIT: Moreover: https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/hipaa-compliance/

> False. I work for a company in the education space that uses AWS. We're unambiguously bound by FERPA. It is inconceivable to me that a stricter law like HIPAA wouldn't also bind cloud-based companies. I think the GP was asserting that the NSA doesn't care about HIPAA, not asserting something about HIPAA and Amazon & companies using AWS.

Yeah, after the shadow-edit. The rest of the paragraph I quoted wasn't there originally.

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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Post by edblarney »

yueq wrote: post #11

Many people might not know, in US, credit card transactions/payments are on sale by various sources. There's a very active market for this and some fintech startups are solely based on this kind of data. Since most of our financial life is based on credit card, we are under surveillance at a micro level in a similar situation. The issue is we not only use 'services', we handle data to the service providers. Data unde…

This is true. AMEX tried to sell me access to that data. That said, I'm not sure if it goes down to name/card number or if it's aggregate - we never bought it.

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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Post by [deleted] »

kposehn wrote: post #5
sneak wrote: post #4

It is precisely the same in the United States, it is just somewhat deniable there due to things like the FISA court. It allows peoples' inherent belief in American virtue to doublethink themselves into believing that the NSA doesn't collect this high-res data in bulk from Facebook and Google and Amazon and Apple and the mobile carriers—when we have clear documents showing that they do. LOVEINT is real. The large soci…

Source? Data that supports this? There are certainly means of surveillance, but not likely to the same level or accessibility that is shown in the article. Please elaborate instead of making a blanket statement :)

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Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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Post by schuke »

yueq wrote: post #11

Many people might not know, in US, credit card transactions/payments are on sale by various sources. There's a very active market for this and some fintech startups are solely based on this kind of data. Since most of our financial life is based on credit card, we are under surveillance at a micro level in a similar situation. The issue is we not only use 'services', we handle data to the service providers. Data unde…

The thing in China is that so many trivial daily activities require government-issued ID. Buying a coach/train ticket. Buying a SIM card. Every website/mobile app registration require a mobile phone number, which means any account is easily traceable to your government-issued ID, too.

Hell, even visiting your friend in a hotel requires recording your ID before hotel staff will let you go upstairs (strictly enforced in cheap hotels). Internet cafes' administration system had been linked up to government ID systems more than a decade ago.

This is the Polizeistaat that Hitler could only dream of. It's a whole other level over any credit card surveillance.

Re: China has wealth of data on what individuals are doing at a micro level

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Post by suprgeek »

This our terrifying future in America - the incoming administration has very scant regard for civil liberties, and is filled with business insiders who worship money above all else.

Add to this the fact that both legislative chambers are controlled by the same party who is "tough" on crime.

For profit or to ostensibly address Terrorism expect surveillance to get much worse.

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