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F.B.I. Arrests Volkswagen Executive on Conspiracy Charges in Emissions Scandal

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Re: F.B.I. Arrests Volkswagen Executive on Conspiracy Charges in Emissions Scandal

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Post by arprocter »

disiplus wrote: post #96
arprocter wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably fairer to compare your Mercedes to the same model with a diesel engine, and likewise your Nissan. Wiki says the 1.6dCi is available in 130-180hp whereas the 1.6 petrol has 107-116hp Fuel consumption will vary due to a lot of different factors, such as aerodynamics, transmission, driving style etc.

he probably means its not that big of a difference for him. and sure, if you dont drive a lot then it does not matter. when i drove 30k per year i drove a diesel, now im driving 15k per year and drive a gasoline car.

I'm just saying you have to compare apples to apples.

My diesel Peugeot 306 1.9 did about 45mpg no matter how hard I drove it, whereas my friend with the same model with a 2L petrol engine said he was using roughly twice as much fuel as me. The later common rail 2L version was supposedly capable of 55mpg

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Post by nickpsecurity »

JohnGB wrote: post #46

I wonder if the same would have happened to an American company in the USA. If so, what's the deal with the bankers that did orders of magnitude more damage?

The head regulator was the former CEO of the largest offender in the financial meltdown. The two were the ones making the deal. Those few that passed it into law were taking money from that company and the other offenders in form of campaign contributions. The result was a deal that only benefited the offenders while doing huge damage to their victims and many investors who placed bets on a market direction where they failed.

Textbook case of corruption. Probably one of the biggest and most obvious I've ever seen, too.

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Post by bflesch »

This is way overdue. Unfortunately in Germany they don't touch VW executives at all. You could build the same cases here, but there is no political will.

Our corrupt ministry of transportation even sends out their reports on the VW fraud scandal over to Volkswagen and lets them review/amend/retract passages of their report.

You can't make that shit up. It's a disgrace to Germany and the EU that this company has so much leverage.

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Post by HNaTTY »

mcguire wrote: post #104
eumoria wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Harley Davidson was caught doing the same emissions scam and no one seems to care. Granted there's less vehicles from them compared to the 11 million Volks but still.

??? Somebody created emission requirements for motorcycles?

Oh yes, and nobody cared about the performance aftermarket (basically anything you do is going to violate emissions standards) until Harley started selling bikes already modified for "racing".

I dropped 20 lbs off a 330lb bike (and added about 5hp) by replacing the heavy dual exhaust with a single Ti/carbon pipe, and reprogramming the ECU. I'm sure the manufacturer would have loved to give me a 310lb bike that made more power if they could. (and before you ask, no it's not loud, I hate loud pipes)

Incidentally, the exhaust/ECU upgrade was done by the local shop when the bike was purchased new. Basically the same as what H-D was doing.

Anyway, what H-D got popped for is arguably less egregious than what VW was doing. They admit that the modified bikes bypass emissions requirements, whereas the unmodified VWs didn't meet the requirements and had to cheat to pass inspection.

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Post by jason_stelzer »

eumoria wrote: post #84
JohnGB wrote: post #46

I wonder if the same would have happened to an American company in the USA. If so, what's the deal with the bankers that did orders of magnitude more damage?

Harley Davidson was caught doing the same emissions scam and no one seems to care. Granted there's less vehicles from them compared to the 11 million Volks but still.

From the factory, the bikes passed the EPA requirements.

Harley also got into the business of selling folks new exhaust/air intake and race tuners at the dealership so folks could 'stage 1' their bikes and remap their EFI units. This results in failing emissions (usually). They settled, restricted what they sell post-sale and are tightening down on what voids factory warranties moving forward.

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Post by csours »

pvlima wrote: post #19

Most amazing is that in Europe VW does not have to pay anything. And car owners are forced to do a software update that reduces engine power and increases risk of malfunction. VW never again.

So far, individual lawsuits have been brought and settled out of court. Due to NDAs the terms are not disclosed.

33c3 Diesegate (2016) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjlHtLux9vc start around 14 minutes for European stuff.

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Post by mcguire »

troisx wrote: post #32
devoply wrote: post #3

Must not have invested money in lobbying DC. VW needs to spend a few million on lobbyists.

Exactly. Ships cause enormous amounts of pollution but are practically unregulated thanks to the lobbying influence of companies that import and export.

Ships are also pretty efficient per ton-mile, so there's that.

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Post by athenot »

bflesch wrote: post #114

This is way overdue. Unfortunately in Germany they don't touch VW executives at all. You could build the same cases here, but there is no political will. Our corrupt ministry of transportation even sends out their reports on the VW fraud scandal over to Volkswagen and lets them review/amend/retract passages of their report. You can't make that shit up. It's a disgrace to Germany and the EU that this company has so mu…

It's called the Home Advantage. Ford/GM enjoy that in the US so if this scandal were to take place at those companies, you'd see harsher action in Europe than in the US.

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Post by disiplus »

otheotheothe wrote: post #102
disiplus wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

diesels are popular in europe for one reason that probably somebody from us will not understand. the price of fuel. because the price of fuel is so much bigger fuel efficiency is the biggest concern

No, thats just one reason. Disel engines are doing way more kilometres in average before they blow up. Nearly all Taxi/Cabs in Europe are Diesel for that reason. I really doubt people care about the emission stuff at all... SRC: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=16748

i doubt many people buy diesels for they ability to drive beyond 200k miles. taxis are something different

diesels are for taxis suited (beyond that they consume less fuel) because they have torque down low and are not rewed as high as petrol engines, and thus not that abused.

look at large natural aspirated V8s, there are many with close to 1m miles, they pull small power form large displacement but could run forever.

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