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Poet: I can’t answer questions on Texas standardized tests about my own poems

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Re: Poet: I can’t answer questions on Texas standardized tests about my own poems

#81

The questions are surely absurd, and common core is a disaster. But I do not understand the (self-)basing of the author. Self-hatred and self-doubt are very usual emotions for teenagers, so these poems actually are very much relatable for 7/8 grade students.

The question of that one poem of hers that she would prefer not to be used only is a small side-issue, the main issue she writes about is that many questions are made-up and arbitrary, you cannot answer them from actual knowledge.

Re: Poet: I can’t answer questions on Texas standardized tests about my own poems

#82

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You're lucky this is an engineer heavy forum. Around humanities people, your comment is like pouring gasoline in an open flame.

We could talk about the same problem in terms of why they still teach HC11 assembly in engineering school instead of teaching the industry standard arm-cortex. It is because most people in higher education are out of touch.

If not for the 86HC11, I might never have used a Vax.

Re: Poet: I can’t answer questions on Texas standardized tests about my own poems

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We could talk about the same problem in terms of why they still teach HC11 assembly in engineering school instead of teaching the industry standard arm-cortex. It is because most people in higher education are out of touch.

Or maybe it's because the specific assembly you learn is far less important than the act of learning any assembly. Learning your first programming language is a challenge, but once you have done that, subsequent languages are easier because you managed to adopt the programming mindset.

You may as well do that using something that's widely being used right now. Doing that to me seems to have obvious advantages. You seem to defend the usage of out of date stuff, with what argument? The one you give does not require using the old stuff.

Re: Poet: I can’t answer questions on Texas standardized tests about my own poems

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We could talk about the same problem in terms of why they still teach HC11 assembly in engineering school instead of teaching the industry standard arm-cortex. It is because most people in higher education are out of touch.

Or maybe it's because the specific assembly you learn is far less important than the act of learning any assembly. Learning your first programming language is a challenge, but once you have done that, subsequent languages are easier because you managed to adopt the programming mindset.

Your second paragraph is true, but is a non-sequitur.

How do you know that the choice of first assembly language is less important, particularly if you are forgoing the opportunity to learn one that embodies more of what we have learned about how to design them?

Re: Poet: I can’t answer questions on Texas standardized tests about my own poems

#85
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If she had known the answer, would that make the question any better? I remember back when I was in high school, I always sort of assumed that the authors of the poems we were tested on wouldn't be able to answer the ridiculous questions on our assessments. But even if they did, I've never been able to figure out what skills these questions were testing. If poems are open to interpretation, isn't it reasonable to thi…

You're lucky this is an engineer heavy forum. Around humanities people, your comment is like pouring gasoline in an open flame.

I find that claim very confusing. If anything my experience with "humanities people" has been that they object greatly to any standardized interpretations of art and have huge issues with the cut-and-dried "analysis" taught by middle- and high-school curricula.

If anything, the stereotype is that engineers are overly prone to answer-seeking while non-engineers are much more comfortable with relativism?

Re: Poet: I can’t answer questions on Texas standardized tests about my own poems

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post #6

If she had known the answer, would that make the question any better? I remember back when I was in high school, I always sort of assumed that the authors of the poems we were tested on wouldn't be able to answer the ridiculous questions on our assessments. But even if they did, I've never been able to figure out what skills these questions were testing. If poems are open to interpretation, isn't it reasonable to thi…

The task is to draw a thinking cat. You can complete this task in a million different ways.

What you (should) get judged on is the technique used. Does it look like a cat, are the shadows properly drawn, are the proportions of the cat in order, does the cat look like it's thinking like a human would, etc.

What is irrelevant is if that cat matches the image the teacher had in mind when she came up with the task.

Re: Poet: I can’t answer questions on Texas standardized tests about my own poems

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're lucky this is an engineer heavy forum. Around humanities people, your comment is like pouring gasoline in an open flame.

We could talk about the same problem in terms of why they still teach HC11 assembly in engineering school instead of teaching the industry standard arm-cortex. It is because most people in higher education are out of touch.

But learning assembly programming is a valuable skill to a software engineer, and not knowing the popular ISA is not a problem - it is assumed the popular ISA will change during your career and you will cope. The skills are knowing how to interpret an ABI specification, etc. Those will stay with you long after gcc drops support for the ISA you used to learn them.

If the skill of interpreting a poem is useless (I don't think it is), it doesn't matter which poems are used in the lessons.

Re: Poet: I can’t answer questions on Texas standardized tests about my own poems

#88
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any test that questions the motivations of the author without asking the author is a big baloney sandwich English 101, Homework Assignment: Write a 8 page literary essay about book-X I presented my thesis and draft to the the instructor. She told me that I was completely wrong and that this paper would receive an inadequate grade. I admit, like all my other English papers, this one was BS, too. That doesn't inherentl…

" I went to the library, sifted through a bunch of academic journals (which the instructor believed to be the only legitimate source of truth, unsurprisingly), and found an article with a thesis and supporting evidence that paralleled my argument! I showed the instructor this paper, and just like that she said "oh, okay. The thesis makes sense."" Congratulations, you just learned the difference between making unsubst…

What was the impact score of the paper he showed to the instructor? Did they do a rigorous search of the space to determine whether the paper was "correct" or "incorrect"?

It sounds to me that the reaction in favor was as knee-jerk as the the reaction against the thesis in the first place. This isn't "producing research" or "making unsubstantiated assertions"; it sounds like pandering to the instructor's bias.

Re: Poet: I can’t answer questions on Texas standardized tests about my own poems

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're lucky this is an engineer heavy forum. Around humanities people, your comment is like pouring gasoline in an open flame.

We could talk about the same problem in terms of why they still teach HC11 assembly in engineering school instead of teaching the industry standard arm-cortex. It is because most people in higher education are out of touch.

Huh? how is ARM more "industry standard" than anything else?

Re: Poet: I can’t answer questions on Texas standardized tests about my own poems

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In the comedy movie "Back to School", wealthy business man Thornton Melon hires Kurt Vonnegut to write an essay for him on Kurt Vonnegut for English Literature class. The professor knows Melon did not write the essay and tells him "Whoever did write this doesn't know the first thing about Kurt Vonnegut!." He got an F.

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