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Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by mcguire » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 4:59 PM UTC

uiri wrote: post #107

mcguire wrote: post #86

" We left Rhode Island [and moved to New York, where they cannot get medical cannabis] with almost a liter of cannabis-infused oil, but, even though we measure it out in drops, it won’t last forever. And because my son had to turn in his medical-marijuana license when we moved, we can’t go back to get more. " I hate to point this out, but that one quote nullifies the rest of the article. When they moved, they would h…

I wanted to cry, thinking that I could buy bags of White Russian but I wouldn’t be able to take them out of Colorado. If we bring our son’s marijuana when we travel, we worry that we’re committing interstate drug trafficking. Isn't moving the oil from Rhode Island to New York the same thing?

I would assume so. And a liter?

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by sv123 » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 5:00 PM UTC

Chathamization wrote: post #109

jMyles wrote: post #46

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> I'm sure your raging 9-year-old kid would chill out on a strong dose of heroin, too Read what you've said again; do you realize how completely ridiculous this sounds? A "strong dose" of heroin, to a 9-year-old who is opiate naive, will obviously not cause them to "chill out." It will cause them to horribly itch, turn green in the face, violently vomit, alternate between pouring sweat and feeling freezing cold, moan…

> Cannabis, even at a very "strong dose," will cause none of this. It's ridiculous to compare cannabis to heroin, but it's still worth pointing out that giving a strong dose to someone who is 9 is a very bad idea that would probably be very unpleasant for the kid. There can be a tendency for people to overcompensate to "reefer madness" propaganda and tell people there are no issues with marijuana. It's probably a lot…

It will for sure not be pleasant, but the kid would be back to normal in a day or so. It's not "probably a lot better than alcohol", it is empirically a lot better than alcohol. The amount of alcohol found in an average home could kill a 9 year old a few times over if consumed, the same can not be said for any amount of cannabis.

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by edblarney » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 5:00 PM UTC

throwaway729 wrote: post #44

hasenj wrote: post #38

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Really? I have a very deep suspicion that drugs destroy society by making a majority of people lethargic and unmotivated to do anything in real life. A case could be made for exceptions here and there (like the child in this article) but I don't think it works so well in society.

> by making a majority of people lethargic and unmotivated to do anything in real life. Almost all of the drug users I know are highly motivated and very successful people. Even if you include illegal drugs. Perhaps this is just selection bias at work, but that knife cuts both ways.

"Almost all of the drug users I know are highly motivated and very successful people. "

It's definitely selection bias.

I too lived in an urban/cool area with 'pro' drug users and (mostly) never saw a problem, though there was one accidental OD in my circle.

But get out into the real world, working class areas where meth and crack in particular have laid waste - it's another story.

Rural areas, working class areas, ghettos - another story - and I think they represent the 'majority' of users by far.

In fact - I think that this bias is the #1 contributor to the misinformation about 'the war on drugs'.

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by baddox » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 5:01 PM UTC

vinay427 wrote: post #96

throwaway729 wrote: post #44

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> by making a majority of people lethargic and unmotivated to do anything in real life. Almost all of the drug users I know are highly motivated and very successful people. Even if you include illegal drugs. Perhaps this is just selection bias at work, but that knife cuts both ways.

(Not the OP) There isn't just the selection bias of people you tend to know potentially not being representative of most drug users, but the need for comparing how those same drug users would do without drugs (I'm not sure how this is possible to evaluate). It isn't enough to say that some drug users are highly motivated and successful, which I don't contest.

That would be an interesting study, but it's not relevant to the discussion of the war on drugs. The comparison you'd need to make it how those people you know would be doing if they were in prison for using illegal drugs. I'd wager they'd be doing worse.

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by philipov » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 5:01 PM UTC

fsloth wrote: post #78

guard-of-terra wrote: post #7

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What's funniest, USA created War on Drugs to tackle their internal purposes, but the rest of the world adopted it anyway (including the wrong side of Iron Curtain)

Actually drug laws have been used weapons in class warfare before US. While US policies are an obvious example in this continuum, it's not the first example.

The opium trade to China is a good prior example.

[]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_opium_in_China

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by mcguire » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 5:02 PM UTC

wildmusings wrote: post #47

shiven wrote: post #35

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Singapore is fucked up in so many ways, it's not even funny. Yeah, yeah, fanboys, I know how cool it is in so many ways, but it is a fucking oligarchy at the end of any day.

It's also an island of stability and prosperity in a region of chaos and poverty.

As long as the trains run on time.

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by deepnotderp » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 5:02 PM UTC

edblarney wrote: post #108

patrickaljord wrote: post #3

The war on drugs is probably one of the biggest crime against humanity since WW2 with millions of deaths, millions in prisons, and trillions of dollars and human resources wasted, mostly affecting the poor and minorities everywhere. This needs to stop. Sadly, it looks like it will go on for a few more decades.

"The war on drugs is probably one of the biggest crime against humanity since WW2 " Spoken by someone who has never known an opioid or cocaine addict, and watched lives crumble, sometimes into death. Most drugs are quite dangerous and have seriously adverse affects upon populations at large. Cocaine, Meth, and Opioids create massive social health problems far beyond anything dope or alcohol ever could. I have no doub…

1) And jailing addicts is supposed to help?

2) the infinitely more dangerous threat,which you accurately described, is opioids...yet ask an average high schooler and they'll tell you they were taught weed is so evil...

3) oh, and lack of health insurance kills more people in the US than cocaine

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by ht85 » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 5:04 PM UTC

milesf wrote: post #74

patrickaljord wrote: post #3

The war on drugs is probably one of the biggest crime against humanity since WW2 with millions of deaths, millions in prisons, and trillions of dollars and human resources wasted, mostly affecting the poor and minorities everywhere. This needs to stop. Sadly, it looks like it will go on for a few more decades.

The United States always needs an enemy. Hitler, communism, Russia, Viet Cong, acid rain, drugs, them... The war on drugs might subside because of the perfect enemy they have now: terrorists. A faceless, ever-present threat that can keep the war drums beating. What I'd like to see is the military-industrial complex shift their battle to a War on Extinction: space exploration.

I don't think needing an enemy is specific to the United States, they are just slightly less shameful than other "modern" countries about it. I quote modern because in many areas of its way to govern, the US seems to be pretty on par with other societies they love to demonize and call "backwards".

I think generally there are people with all sorts of agendas. Unfortunately, in the current state of society, the ones that stick will always be the ones who drive profits the most.

Fear might be the strongest motivator for the average human being. It's not surprising systems fed by conflict and imaginary enemies seem to thrive so much.

It doesn't mean that there aren't bubbles of people who are different, but they are just ripples among the waves.

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by edblarney » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 5:05 PM UTC

baddox wrote: post #120

edblarney wrote: post #108

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"The war on drugs is probably one of the biggest crime against humanity since WW2 " Spoken by someone who has never known an opioid or cocaine addict, and watched lives crumble, sometimes into death. Most drugs are quite dangerous and have seriously adverse affects upon populations at large. Cocaine, Meth, and Opioids create massive social health problems far beyond anything dope or alcohol ever could. I have no doub…

> Of course there is no reason to put pot smokers in jail - but this antagonism about the 'war on drugs' is very naive, unsympathetic, and dangerous. The part of this sentence after the hyphen is where you're fundamentally wrong. You listed a lot of sad facts and stories about drug abuse, but those do not constitute a defense of the war on drugs. It's naive to excuse the war on drugs simply because some drugs cause h…

"some drugs cause horrible effects for some people."

No.

Meth, cocaine and opioids represent the vast majority of illegal use outside of weed (which I think is a different category, and it is treated differently in most places) - and they represent a huge risk to society at large.

Prescription opioid use is becoming a massive problem (and now the #1 source of addiction etc.) in the US - it's systematic - not just a problem for 'some people'.

This not about 'specific examples' - it's widespread and systematic.

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by sv123 » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 5:06 PM UTC

exwebtina wrote: post #85

I recall in 70s/80s Denmark and Netherlands made pot legal in parts of Amsterdam and Copenhagen. The areas quickly turned into dumps. I'm fine with Slab City but do we wan't this for all of US?

Washington, Colorado, Oregon, DC... No reports of turning into complete dumps yet.