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Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by spiderfarmer » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 4:52 PM UTC

milesf wrote: post #74

patrickaljord wrote: post #3

The war on drugs is probably one of the biggest crime against humanity since WW2 with millions of deaths, millions in prisons, and trillions of dollars and human resources wasted, mostly affecting the poor and minorities everywhere. This needs to stop. Sadly, it looks like it will go on for a few more decades.

The United States always needs an enemy. Hitler, communism, Russia, Viet Cong, acid rain, drugs, them... The war on drugs might subside because of the perfect enemy they have now: terrorists. A faceless, ever-present threat that can keep the war drums beating. What I'd like to see is the military-industrial complex shift their battle to a War on Extinction: space exploration.

Imagine if there was an all-out war on poverty, disease and corruption. The progress we could make.

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by jimnotgym » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 4:52 PM UTC

pizza wrote: post #89

eli wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm keeping an open mind, but these all sound like things a good placebo could accomplish

I don't disagree.

And without the hysteria about cannabis we might have more double blind studies to find out.

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 4:53 PM UTC

djmobley wrote: post #65

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I call hyperbole. Millions of deaths? Do you mean by overdose? Are those the fault of resisting the spread of drugs?

Presumably OP means deaths linked to the production, distribution, and sale of illegal drugs. Think Mexican drug cartels, gang wars over drug selling operations, etc.

Ok that accounts for maybe 150,000. Staggeringly high. But I still call Hyperbole on 'millions'

Re: I made my son cannabis cookies. They changed his life

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Post by mcguire » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 4:53 PM UTC

ritchiea wrote: post #93

gragas wrote: post #82

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One could properly dose this 9-year-old and make him "chill out." I have no doubt that it is possible. That said, I really agree with your argument. You make a great case for legalization that isn't merely "oh hur dur look how my child mellows out on weed." Thank you.

The case isn't "my kid mellows out on weed" it's "my kid has behavioral problems that prevent him from functioning at home & in school that are alleviated by weed".

The point, though, as I take it, is, would you be satisfied if someone took the time to isolate and synthesize the active ingredients in weed and made those available in prescription form?

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Post by randomdata » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 4:53 PM UTC

dominotw wrote: post #75

hubb wrote: post #21

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this is a false equivalency for two reasons: marijuana is not physically addictive, and THC doesn't have near the same capability to incapacitate people that heroin does.

>marijuana is not physically addictive, One of my friends complained for months about headaches, loss of libido, tummy cramps while getting off of it after years of use.

On the other hand, marijuana has been used to treat those symptoms. It may be your friend had some other problem that was being masked by the prolonged marijuana use.

Or one of the other many reasons why there can be correlation without causation.

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Post by sv123 » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 4:54 PM UTC

rtz12 wrote: post #99

throwaway729 wrote: post #44

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> by making a majority of people lethargic and unmotivated to do anything in real life. Almost all of the drug users I know are highly motivated and very successful people. Even if you include illegal drugs. Perhaps this is just selection bias at work, but that knife cuts both ways.

Almost all of the drug users I know are unemployed social outcasts. One of them at least somewhat tries.

Which is why we should make sure they are locked up with violent criminals.

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Post by jimnotgym » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 4:55 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #63

Mildly disturbed that she medicates him against his knowledge with something that we think may be harmful for young brains (although we don't know, because drug laws make research impossible). We excuse this because she's in a desperate situation and there's a lack of support. But other people in her situation resort to more harmful forms of quackery. The answer shouldn't be "quackery is fine so long as it doesn't re…

>against his knowledge

He is a child, they are his parents. They have every right to choose his treatment

>quackery

If medical science had an alternative you may have a point. These parents ran out of options

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Post by ekianjo » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 4:56 PM UTC

milesf wrote: post #74

patrickaljord wrote: post #3

The war on drugs is probably one of the biggest crime against humanity since WW2 with millions of deaths, millions in prisons, and trillions of dollars and human resources wasted, mostly affecting the poor and minorities everywhere. This needs to stop. Sadly, it looks like it will go on for a few more decades.

The United States always needs an enemy. Hitler, communism, Russia, Viet Cong, acid rain, drugs, them... The war on drugs might subside because of the perfect enemy they have now: terrorists. A faceless, ever-present threat that can keep the war drums beating. What I'd like to see is the military-industrial complex shift their battle to a War on Extinction: space exploration.

> The United States always needs an enemy. Hitler, communism, Russia, Viet Cong, acid rain, drugs, them...

Not really "the US" per se, but the lobbies behind politics (the police likes the war on drugs because they get massive federal grants for it, and equipment resellers are happy to oblige - and where there is big money, there are influencers to make sure politicians go a certain way) in order to thrive.

Add to that that the public opinion is pretty much against drugs in America, and it's fairly straightforward for politicians to double-down on that kind of topic and enforce rigidity.

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Post by daveguy » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 4:56 PM UTC

mazlix wrote: post #91

hubb wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is a false equivalency for two reasons: marijuana is not physically addictive, and THC doesn't have near the same capability to incapacitate people that heroin does.

Most good studies on THC are on adults/ developed brains. I'm not sure it's established yet that marijuana wouldn't cause a "physical" addiction if used in adolescence. It might be / hopefully is fine, but people shouldn't assume that just because cannabis is fairly harmless in adults it is also established to be safe for youth.

This. It is incredibly irresponsible to run the equivalent of clinical trials on your child. She pointed out a single medical study of cannabis for children that was a bust. Clinical trials are highly controlled and dosage is tiered for safety. Cowboy drug trials are dangerous and stupid. I don't care if it's cannabis, crack or aspirin. And she tested the cookies on herself to see if they were ok? Did she realize she was giving her child the equivalent of multiple times the dose?

I hope for her sake and her sons the long term effects on children are ok and that she isn't giving 10x the required therapeutic dose because she whipped it up in her kitchen.

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Post by baddox » Sun, Jan 08, 2017, 4:59 PM UTC

edblarney wrote: post #108

patrickaljord wrote: post #3

The war on drugs is probably one of the biggest crime against humanity since WW2 with millions of deaths, millions in prisons, and trillions of dollars and human resources wasted, mostly affecting the poor and minorities everywhere. This needs to stop. Sadly, it looks like it will go on for a few more decades.

"The war on drugs is probably one of the biggest crime against humanity since WW2 " Spoken by someone who has never known an opioid or cocaine addict, and watched lives crumble, sometimes into death. Most drugs are quite dangerous and have seriously adverse affects upon populations at large. Cocaine, Meth, and Opioids create massive social health problems far beyond anything dope or alcohol ever could. I have no doub…

> Of course there is no reason to put pot smokers in jail - but this antagonism about the 'war on drugs' is very naive, unsympathetic, and dangerous.

The part of this sentence after the hyphen is where you're fundamentally wrong. You listed a lot of sad facts and stories about drug abuse, but those do not constitute a defense of the war on drugs. It's naive to excuse the war on drugs simply because some drugs cause horrible effects for some people.