Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

washingtonpost.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

121–130 of 136 posts

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

#121

Post by [deleted] »

nikcub wrote: post #100
caminante wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The WSJ one I couldn't read in its entirety but it opened by calling him a liar and a thief, so I'm not sure how impartial we can consider it to be. "Impartial?" I'm not seeing "liar"/"thief" or any such innuendo in the opening. Here's the full article [0] -- which is an extract from an upcoming book. This pokes holes in Snowden's narrative, i.e. How Snowden Escaped Hong Kong Exclusive [1], and, if true, would fill a…

> i.e. How did Snowden get on an Aerofloat flight out of HK almost a week after the manhunt started? Because Hong Kong let him go, as he wasn't officially wanted at the time: > as the US had revoked his passport (and issued an arrest warrant) and notified Hong Kong of the revocation a day before the plane took off. However, as numerous news reports of the time reported, the US information [in the arrest warrant] was…

[deleted]

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

#122

Post by rokosbasilisk »

wonko1 wrote: post #17

Yes... a world in which Sarah Palin is apologizing to Assange isn't one I understand very well. How they respond to the Trump administration when it's in power will tell us a lot about what's happening at wikileaks. But it seems like the world needs more diversity in Wikileaks-like services. I feel like they have done important work in the past, and it would be a shame for that to end.

its all politics. Democrats hate wikileaks when it hurts them. Republicans hate wikileaks when it hurts them

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

#123

Post by rokosbasilisk »

r3bl wrote: post #50
jondubois wrote: post #24

I think this is a very good thing. We need more accountability from public figures. Moral fibre is a rare element among the top 1%. If they can't regulate themselves, then someone else ought to do it. We need an incentive for people to pay their fair share of taxes and to behave ethically - Protecting your public reputation is a good incentive. The law is simply useless when it comes to ethical matters - Radical tran…

Just because someone has that blue checkmark next to their Twitter username (reminder: Twitter doesn't have public guidelines on who gets it and who doesn't) doesn't make that person a public figure.

twitter is by nature public. try gab.ai for more privacy.

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

#124

Post by caminante »

smcl wrote: post #96
caminante wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The WSJ one I couldn't read in its entirety but it opened by calling him a liar and a thief, so I'm not sure how impartial we can consider it to be. "Impartial?" I'm not seeing "liar"/"thief" or any such innuendo in the opening. Here's the full article [0] -- which is an extract from an upcoming book. This pokes holes in Snowden's narrative, i.e. How Snowden Escaped Hong Kong Exclusive [1], and, if true, would fill a…

I'm not sure how it's possible to miss the liar/thief part - the opening sentence is "Of all the lies that Edward Snowden has told since his massive theft..." However now you're getting somewhere - criticism that he's picked up docs related to military secrets does seem pretty valid. I'd hope that it was just that he picked up a broad range of docs in the hope that that some would contain information supporting the s…

re: liar/thief...

I'm sorry as I did a poor job qualifying my statement. As it stands now, my claim is incorrect. I apologize and thank you for your note.

I meant to say that saying Snowden is a thief (true) and that he has told lies (many of his claims are disputed) isn't being partial. I can see how the paywall would make the opening seem partial. I'd read the entire article so I was putting the opening in the context of the author's possibilities, e.g. Snowden didn't necessarily have collusion with Russia in mind.

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

#125

Post by makomk »

redthrowaway wrote: post #53
Findeton wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you are a front for the US intelligence, given that you provide no source for your claims about Assange saying that.

>He said: “In Russia, there are many vibrant publications, online blogs, and Kremlin critics such as [Alexey] Navalny are part of that spectrum. There are also newspapers like “Novaya Gazeta”, in which different parts of society in Moscow are permitted to critique each other and it is tolerated, generally, because it isn’t a big TV channel that might have a mass popular effect, its audience is educated people in Mosc…

Errm, that is very much not the same as saying that Russia has free and open media in general. He's merely arguing that Wikileaks can't help because Wikileaks-equivalents aren't the kind of media Russia is clamping down on the first place.

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

#126

Post by confounded »

indy wrote: post #104
nikcub wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be interested in an example of this if you have one, because I read all the source materials in this story and found his arguments compelling (after initially buying into the narrative)

Here are some links describing incidents where Glenn Greenwald has taken quotes out of context: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/dear-fellow-liberal2 http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/on-the-mechanics-of-defam... https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg/status/803464221786677248 Edit: And just to add in this particular case I'm in agreement with you, his arguments do seem compelling.

I've only read the first two stories, but I'm struggling to see how they reflect badly on Greenwald. The context does not change the meaning in either context.

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

#127

Post by FabHK »

nikcub wrote: post #100
caminante wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The WSJ one I couldn't read in its entirety but it opened by calling him a liar and a thief, so I'm not sure how impartial we can consider it to be. "Impartial?" I'm not seeing "liar"/"thief" or any such innuendo in the opening. Here's the full article [0] -- which is an extract from an upcoming book. This pokes holes in Snowden's narrative, i.e. How Snowden Escaped Hong Kong Exclusive [1], and, if true, would fill a…

> i.e. How did Snowden get on an Aerofloat flight out of HK almost a week after the manhunt started? Because Hong Kong let him go, as he wasn't officially wanted at the time: > as the US had revoked his passport (and issued an arrest warrant) and notified Hong Kong of the revocation a day before the plane took off. However, as numerous news reports of the time reported, the US information [in the arrest warrant] was…

It was quite funny, IIRC: The US was increasing the pressure on HK and submitted an arrest/extradition request, but apparently they had left out his middle name and the passport number on the form.

So HK let him go, claiming they followed all laws and obligations from their treaties, basically saying "Oh, that Edward Snowden! Damn, if only we had known."

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

#128

Post by FabHK »

confounded wrote: post #126
indy wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are some links describing incidents where Glenn Greenwald has taken quotes out of context: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/dear-fellow-liberal2 http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/on-the-mechanics-of-defam... https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg/status/803464221786677248 Edit: And just to add in this particular case I'm in agreement with you, his arguments do seem compelling.

I've only read the first two stories, but I'm struggling to see how they reflect badly on Greenwald. The context does not change the meaning in either context.

This is not the right place for this discussion, but in both cases the accusations in the pieces retweeted by Greenwald (Harris as 1. a bigoted "scientific racist", 2. a "genocidal fascist maniac") are not supported when Harris' quotes are seen in context.

Greenwald's condemnation of The Guardian's summary of Assange's interview seems accurate. But Greenwald's assessment of Harris, and his tweets in that matter, seem very biased.

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

#129

Post by smsm42 »

r3bl wrote: post #48
smsm42 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Wikileaks is indeed connected to Putin, and they are intended to prosecute you for talking about it, don't you think Putin has more resources to find out where you live than Wikileaks? I mean, of this (hypothetical) tandem, I'd rather be afraid of the guy with trillions of dollars, nukes and one of the best intelligence services on the planet than of a guy that has to hide in Ecuadorian embassy.

Well yeah, but WikiLeaks will publish the data on you, Russian intelligence is not going to do so (directly).

Why not? Putin has tons of media at his disposal - in fact, all media in Russia is at his disposal.

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

#130

Post by ColanR »

rounce wrote: post #107
ycmbntrthrwaway wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5cgwau/has_wiki...

Had to laugh at the opening paragraph of that thread: > I think it is high time that we address the elephant in the room. I am not saying to stop what we are doing, but we need to band together and get wikileaks to prove themselves, or we need to take everything read with a grain of salt. Surely we should be taking everything we read with a grain of salt?

Thanks for the reddit link.

Not sure if that's laughable or not. The fact a PGP sig still hasn't been used since the date of the alleged "takeover" is a very strong point against complaisance.

Post reply on HN