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>I'd expect the criticism to be more specific than what you said. http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/04/the... http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/17/either-edwa... http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fable-of-edward-snowden-1483... https://www.yahoo.com/news/5-ways-nsa-leaker-edward-snowdens... https://ca.news.yahoo.com/snowden-lied-and-acted-out-of-piqu... >hey want to take down the United…

edit: Again I'm not the one downvoting you, disagreeing with someone is not a reason to downvote IMO I was kinda hoping for something a bit more substantial - those aren't particularly convincing and smell slightly of hit-pieces attempting to smear Snowden while conveniently diverting from the main issue (that the US Government applies an insane level of surveillance on the US people). First story is about an intervi…

  The WSJ one I couldn't read in its entirety but it opened by calling 
  him a liar and a thief, so I'm not sure how impartial we can consider 
  it to be.
"Impartial?" I'm not seeing "liar"/"thief" or any such innuendo in the opening. Here's the full article [0] -- which is an extract from an upcoming book. This pokes holes in Snowden's narrative, i.e. How Snowden Escaped Hong Kong Exclusive [1], and, if true, would fill a lot of glaring holes (i.e. How did Snowden get on an Aerofloat flight out of HK almost a week after the manhunt started?).

Also, a big concern raised is the breadth of information Snowden walked off with. Allegedly, it wasn't just privacy/surveillance info, but also national security and military secrets. From an audit of the 1.5 million docs Snowden walked off with, "most had nothing to do with domestic surveillance or whistle blowing." This raises eyebrows.

[0] http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fable-of-edward-snowden-1483...

[1] http://news.nationalpost.com/features/how-edward-snowden-esc...

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

#93
Wikileaks used to be a platform for venting information. Data that was secret and had power was laid open for consideration by anyone interested.

Now it is a platform for some insiders pushing an agenda. Data is solicited, filtered and used to push in a direction. Wikileaks has become a player.

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

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Yes. It would have to be coupled with information on how rich and powerful someone is coming from other sources.

Usually, such a process is done by starting with lists of those who are actually powerful. These lists are plentiful, especially in democracies. Starting with the presumption that the world's influencers are all on Twitter is a strange view of how the world works.

You have to work with the data that is available. Lists of most influential or most powerful people are also based on data available and possibly some subjective assessment. Some times when I scroll thru them I get the feeling they are far from the truth. Not that I know exactly what the truth is.

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Greenwald is an occasionally decent writer with a penchant for over-exaggeration and finger pointing. I used to be an ardent fan of The Intercept, but more recently have noticed it becoming far angrier and politically charged. In addition, it seems far more willing to play fast and loose with the truth, lack citation, and generally falsify as much as it accuses. Leading to the current state of the comments section on…

http://www.newsbud.com/2013/12/11/bfp-breaking-news-omidyars... (Is Newsbud classified as "Fake News" by the "ministry of truth" ?)

I beg your pardon? Where exactly did I accuse anyone of distributing "Fake News"? I was merely lamenting the slide of a publication, of which I used to respect the views and content, from champion of fact, and keen-eyed investigative journalism to another angry editorialist internet rag. Which, seems to increasingly fail to let the truth get in the way of their click-thru rate. TI's shameful behaviour during the recent incredibly dirty (on both sides) US election wasn't to stand back and give careful considered analysis, but rather pick an enemy and jump into the fray both feet first.

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

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post #77

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edit: Again I'm not the one downvoting you, disagreeing with someone is not a reason to downvote IMO I was kinda hoping for something a bit more substantial - those aren't particularly convincing and smell slightly of hit-pieces attempting to smear Snowden while conveniently diverting from the main issue (that the US Government applies an insane level of surveillance on the US people). First story is about an intervi…

The WSJ one I couldn't read in its entirety but it opened by calling him a liar and a thief, so I'm not sure how impartial we can consider it to be. "Impartial?" I'm not seeing "liar"/"thief" or any such innuendo in the opening. Here's the full article [0] -- which is an extract from an upcoming book. This pokes holes in Snowden's narrative, i.e. How Snowden Escaped Hong Kong Exclusive [1], and, if true, would fill a…

I'm not sure how it's possible to miss the liar/thief part - the opening sentence is "Of all the lies that Edward Snowden has told since his massive theft..."

However now you're getting somewhere - criticism that he's picked up docs related to military secrets does seem pretty valid. I'd hope that it was just that he picked up a broad range of docs in the hope that that some would contain information supporting the surveillance issue (kind of ironically mirroring the "dragnet" approach to surveillance) - but we can't be sure I suppose.

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

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WikiLeaks' online presence was taken over in October, when riseup.net got an NSL to give access to the email accounts associated with the WL Twitter accounts and other WL properties. Around that time WL removed some insurance file torrent links from wikileaks.org, distributed new pre-commitment hashes, and stopped responding to PGP-encrypted email. People who work for WikiLeaks are still probably involved, but they a…

I was almost certain the things you're suggesting were true, however I also thought Julian assange was no longer alive, or not free/able to reach out, as did the people who came up with and spread the theories that something big went down. However this week Hannity flew to the UK and interviewed Julian Assange who is alive and well. Don't you think he might have hinted at the fact that such was the case during the in…

See https://twitter.com/oheard/status/817486353801900032

It's entirely plausible that the video interview was not actually Assange.

AFAIK there has been no cryptographic verification, that's the only thing that could prove all is well.

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

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The Guardian’s Summary of Julian Assange’s Interview Went Viral and Was Completely False https://theintercept.com/2016/12/29/the-guardians-summary-of... Please don't try to spread FAKE NEWS.

Interesting, since Assange accused the Guardian of sharing cables (meant for reporting) with the Mossad.

Well, everybody knows the basic threat model from which all threat models are derived is: "Mossad or Not-Mossad?"[0].

[0] https://vimeo.com/95066828

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

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I'm sorry, but I don't find him dishonest at all. In the other hand, reading the full script of what Assange said, I find YOU dishonest.

Unfortunately, with that comment, you've undermined what might have been a decent original point. You now just come across as someone who like to call people dishonest for no good reason.

The act of one making a point, and one understanding the point one has made, are two very different events.

IMO it seemed a bit like name-calling that inadvertently asked a deeper question.

Re: WikiLeaks proposes tracking verified Twitter users’ homes, families and finances

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post #77

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edit: Again I'm not the one downvoting you, disagreeing with someone is not a reason to downvote IMO I was kinda hoping for something a bit more substantial - those aren't particularly convincing and smell slightly of hit-pieces attempting to smear Snowden while conveniently diverting from the main issue (that the US Government applies an insane level of surveillance on the US people). First story is about an intervi…

The WSJ one I couldn't read in its entirety but it opened by calling him a liar and a thief, so I'm not sure how impartial we can consider it to be. "Impartial?" I'm not seeing "liar"/"thief" or any such innuendo in the opening. Here's the full article [0] -- which is an extract from an upcoming book. This pokes holes in Snowden's narrative, i.e. How Snowden Escaped Hong Kong Exclusive [1], and, if true, would fill a…

> i.e. How did Snowden get on an Aerofloat flight out of HK almost a week after the manhunt started?

Because Hong Kong let him go, as he wasn't officially wanted at the time:

> as the US had revoked his passport (and issued an arrest warrant) and notified Hong Kong of the revocation a day before the plane took off. However, as numerous news reports of the time reported, the US information [in the arrest warrant] was contradictory and incomplete, and thus Hong Kong did nothing to stop Snowden from leaving [0]. The Guardian [1] quotes a Hong Kong official as saying Snowden left "through a lawful and normal channel".

The rest of that blog post is worth a read:

http://blog.erratasec.com/2016/12/your-absurd-story-doesnt-m...

[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20130822210647/http://www.thesta...

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/23/edward-snowden...

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