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Please don’t pay to use a pay toilet

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Re: Please don’t pay to use a pay toilet

#11

Where I live, we don't have pay toilets, but when I was on vacation last I thought they were great. I was happy to pay a little bit for a clean bathroom instead of having to go at a coffee shop or restaurant. Stallman has a point, but it's easily addressable. The government could give the indigent vouchers to use the pay toilets. I'd even be happy to pay more to use the bathrooms to subsidize such a program.

Those pay toilets are private owned

Re: Please don’t pay to use a pay toilet

#13

Where I live, we don't have pay toilets, but when I was on vacation last I thought they were great. I was happy to pay a little bit for a clean bathroom instead of having to go at a coffee shop or restaurant. Stallman has a point, but it's easily addressable. The government could give the indigent vouchers to use the pay toilets. I'd even be happy to pay more to use the bathrooms to subsidize such a program.

That sounds a bit awkward. How about just having the government pay for them?

Re: Please don’t pay to use a pay toilet

#14
> Pay toilets are nasty, and ought to be illegal. Those of us who are not poor can afford the price, if we accept the practice; poor people can't.

Can't this be applied to basically anything? Food, water, electricity, pubic transport. Let's refuse to pay for all of these otherwise the poor can't afford it. Is this a parody webpage?

Re: Please don’t pay to use a pay toilet

#15

Where I live, we don't have pay toilets, but when I was on vacation last I thought they were great. I was happy to pay a little bit for a clean bathroom instead of having to go at a coffee shop or restaurant. Stallman has a point, but it's easily addressable. The government could give the indigent vouchers to use the pay toilets. I'd even be happy to pay more to use the bathrooms to subsidize such a program.

There are quite a few countries like Australia and Japan where public toilets are free, reasonably ubiquitous and generally clean.

Re: Please don’t pay to use a pay toilet

#16
post #7

Is using the toilet a human right then, and if so, whose duty is it to volunteer to clean it up? Why are paid toilets nastier than paid food? Why not give poor people money instead of spending time (and in this case, a certain effort you can't even brag about in polite society) on yet another boycott? Is there any social institution that is not boycotted by Stallman?

Well, paid toilets should be funded by taxes – that way you aren’t tracked, and anyone – even the poor and homeless – can use them.

There are two independent solutions for this: Many countries, like Singapore, have the government directly own public toilets.

In other places, like some states of Germany, the government instead pays restaurants and shops to open their toilets to the public.

Re: Please don’t pay to use a pay toilet

#17
post #7

Is using the toilet a human right then, and if so, whose duty is it to volunteer to clean it up? Why are paid toilets nastier than paid food? Why not give poor people money instead of spending time (and in this case, a certain effort you can't even brag about in polite society) on yet another boycott? Is there any social institution that is not boycotted by Stallman?

The right is with you and I to not have to step in someone else's shit when walking down the road. Therefor it is our responsibility to provide toilets for those who have none, those who need them more often and for those who are far away from their own. This is what tax is for.

Re: Please don’t pay to use a pay toilet

#18
post #7

Is using the toilet a human right then, and if so, whose duty is it to volunteer to clean it up? Why are paid toilets nastier than paid food? Why not give poor people money instead of spending time (and in this case, a certain effort you can't even brag about in polite society) on yet another boycott? Is there any social institution that is not boycotted by Stallman?

The city should afford to do this from the taxes

Re: Please don’t pay to use a pay toilet

#19
I don't want to be "that guy" but, here in Italy, I have heard of several accounts of Stallmans visiting local Linux User Groups (full of his "fans"), and he would have them pay for his dinner or he wouldn't go.

Although I understand his point:

- I find pay toilets cleaner and I am not sure it is worth delving into changing the national policy of better maintained free clean toilets with all the problem we want to see addressed first;

- I am starting to think his addressing to "proprietary" stuff is more related to "avoid paying" than defending what is free.

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