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Care to elaborate?
They made the browser mistake, which part do you need elaborated?
What is the browser mistake?
Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends
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Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends
#72I could've given it a try if it was opensource. But because it's closed I immediately classify it as vaporware, and as the browser is one of the two centers of my daily computing (the other being emacs), I won't invest in vaporware. I believe that opensourcing is the best choice of the company behind this.
I've read their site and I can't figure out what they're selling me, what's the business model here?
Edit: Never mind, homepage ads I see. Eh easy enough to close them out..
Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends
#73Would switch to this immediately but it still doesn't support any sort of sync. People use browsers on multiple devices these days. Not sure why this isn't a priority for the Vivaldi team?
Same. I was occasionally running it last year, but lacking all of my bookmarks it fell out of use after a couple of weeks when the novelty wore off.
The level of customizability is great for sure. Sidebar tabs supported natively, and the whole browser UI can be restyled with CSS.
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> However, it's probably no exaggeration to say that most users haven't used a desktop email client in over a decade. Almost everyone that uses macOS uses Apple Mail. Actually, I prefer that from having to (keep ) open a tab for Gmail.
I wonder if there are actual statistics about this. I only know one person who uses Apple Mail.
I don't think it's something that anyone's tried to quantify, no. I know a few people who use Apple Mail, though, including people who are pretty technically savvy. I don't (in my last job I used MailPlane, and at home I was using Postbox but recently switched to Spark), but my impression is that for many people Mail is in the "good enough" category.
Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends
#75Glad you like our browser. We are working hard to continue to add really useful features, cool stuff and more flexibility. Our philosophy is that we all deserve a browser that works in the way we want it to. This means we listen to input and gradually add the features and options you want. Cheers, Jon of Vivaldi
Hi Jon!
I know you are a stand-up guy [0]. Have you considered working with the free software community to create a truly free and modern browser?
No-one trusts Chromium since it's filled with Google-specific bits and tweaks, even analytics. Assuming you've trimmed all of that away, releasing your add-ons as free software (e.g. GPL or BSD) would create some real traction around Vivaldi as a browser alternative.
This also avoids the "Opera mistake". If Presto had been open sourced, it would still be alive and kicking today. With Blink things are different, and I don't see how keeping a proprietary user interface is going to sustain a browser company.
Suggestion: make the core browser slim, pluggable and free, and sell extensions and infrastructure parts necessary for sync, updates etc with a GPL and/or proprietary license.
Oh, and [0]: https://i.imgur.com/UFh2M.png
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm wondering this too. Mozilla has tons of sponsorship from Yahoo and others. Google invests in Chrome to give them leverage for their own products. Since Vivaldi is closed source, how do I know they aren't selling my data?
Vivaldi is allegedly free software: https://vivaldi.com/source/
Looks like you're right. The original Vivaldi code is a BSD-style license, and although I didn't check all the dependencies, it seems to be mostly Chromium + lots of original code.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Developers of Vivaldi used to work on Opera browser.
Thank you for your kind words about Vivaldi. I was the co-founder of Opera and now co-founder of Vivaldi. A big part of the team is former Opera people. We are based in Norway and Iceland, mostly, with team members in a couple of other locations.
I know it's a lot to ask, but is there any timeline for the release of the mail client?
And a separate question, would it be possible to include a light calendar app in it? (ICS)
Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends
#78So what's the business model here? This is a "free" product, so how does Vivaldi intend to ensure its continued existence?
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#79No source, no deal.
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Re: Vivaldi – A Browser for Our Friends
#80One thing that always turns me off is the lack of proper popup support (last I checked).
Some addons I like don't like that and that one website I need for studying doesn't like it any more either.
But otherwise it's a solid browser.