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Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

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Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

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Post by westiseast »

bluetwo wrote: post #10

Can anyone from China list what U.S. news apps are available? I would love to know who sold out.

It's not really that clear cut tbh. The blocked ones are well known (you can google it) but what you also have are things like:

* throttling of all foreign internet at particular times * effective blocks on sites because they load dependencies from blocked sites. * Temporary local blocking (e.g. It's easier and reliable from my home internet to load reddit, but from a coffee shop 1km away it's noticeably less reliable) * interrupting of pageloads based on keywords. e.g. if you try download a page from a non-blocked domain that features keywords "free tibet" then the connection will get interrupted.

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Post by westiseast »

WhitneyLand wrote: post #41

I don't understand why the big hotels in China have so much wider access than normal. It seems like they make exceptions for some places mostly visited by international travelers.

Something nobody's written about or investigated that publicly is profiling/local blocks.

The gov places blocks on whole regions like Tibet/Uighur areas regularly, but I also believe that they have profiles down to a very granular level on which router/IPS has what level of trust. Public wifi is often unreliable for loading foreign websites or connecting to a VPN, whereas big hotels or my home wifi can be fine. I'm 80% sure this is real and not imagination :)

Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

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Post by westiseast »

michel-slm wrote: post #19
sfoon wrote: post #4

bowing to Chinese dictatorship, so sad. then again, Facebook/Snapchat also has no shame bowing as well. good thing Google has a backbone

How did Facebook bow to China? AFAICT we are still blocked there. Disclaimer: I work for FB, this is my personal opinion

I think MZs attempts to learn Mandarin, his visits to China and his 'courtship' of Xi during the US state visit made a lot of people think that he was desperate to get into China and wasn't too concerned about the implications of that. The impression is that the only reason Facebook isn't operating in China under a cooperative censorship regime is because China doesn't want FB (rather than because FB refuses to censor/cooperate).

Rumors for sure, just answering your question.

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Post by ascagnel_ »

gergles wrote: post #143
gilgoomesh wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't even need an enterprise account for open source apps. Assuming you build it yourself, sideloading of open source apps is free (no developer account required) for anyone running iOS 9 and Xcode 7 or later.

As long as you don't mind reloading the app every week...

Apps you compile, sign, and install yourself don't expire.

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Post by ascagnel_ »

Zak wrote: post #55

This is one of the more compelling arguments I've seen for allowing sideloading apart from the obvious philosophical point about users having ultimate control over devices they own.

Not really -- the app is just a way to view content that's loaded from a remote server, and the remote server has also been blocked.

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Post by xiaoma »

olalonde wrote: post #155
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #132

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Try living in china for a few years, once the honey moon is over :). Dealing with the air pollution, GFW, hideous traffic, and currency controls will wear a guy down.

I lived there for 6 years and my wife is from Guangxi. Of course China isn't perfect but it isn't as bad as most Western media depict it to be. For one, it isn't a dictatorship as most people in the West seem to think it is. I certainly don't support the censorship but I quite like their foreign policy for example.

Seriously? Since 1960, China has invaded India, Vietnam, and less successfully Russia. In all three cases, China started it. It's also been threatening to invade Taiwan for decades, despite Taiwan never having been part of the PRC based on the historical claims going back to the Qing Dynasty.

In the south China sea, rather than accept a treaty that all neighboring countries including China signed, China prefers to go by an old Chinese map. Rather than accept the international ruling upholding the treaty, China condemned it and increased their militarization of international waters.

To the best of my knowledge, China has territorial disputes with every single one of its many neighbors, though they may back off their claim to 20% of Tajikistan since Tajikstan ceded just under 1% of its territory a few years ago.

I can see why a Chinese citizen might like their foreign policy, but it sure is rough for their neighbors: https://www.facebook.com/notes/tarek-fatah/chinas-border-dis...

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #164
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #118

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Likewise, when japan does live action versions of their anime, they are unable to find Caucasian actors to fill roles that are obviously Caucasian. Tamaki Suoh in Ouran Host Club obviously has blonde hair and blue eyes in the anime, but in the live action becomes completely Japanese! Perhaps they just couldn't find an actor that looked the role?

> roles that are obviously Caucasian Are they? Anime characters do not seem to be bound by typical (or even possible) hair and eye colours. Couldn't such characters be, well, ethnic Japanese people who happen to have an unusual hair colour? That seems to be the general assumption.

Their ethnicities are often explicitly specified (Tameki has a French mother). Japan is also not that homogenous. Sometimes the ethnicities are left ambiguous, in which case it could be hair/eye coloring.

In ghost in the shell, the protagonist is a robot or cyborg, ethnicity isn't fixed.

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Post by krapp »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #164
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likewise, when japan does live action versions of their anime, they are unable to find Caucasian actors to fill roles that are obviously Caucasian. Tamaki Suoh in Ouran Host Club obviously has blonde hair and blue eyes in the anime, but in the live action becomes completely Japanese! Perhaps they just couldn't find an actor that looked the role?

> roles that are obviously Caucasian Are they? Anime characters do not seem to be bound by typical (or even possible) hair and eye colours. Couldn't such characters be, well, ethnic Japanese people who happen to have an unusual hair colour? That seems to be the general assumption.

>Couldn't such characters be, well, ethnic Japanese people who happen to have an unusual hair colour?

yes, it's a conscious design choice[0,1]. They're not "obviously Caucasian" so much as "not obviously anything."

[0]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mukokuseki

[1]https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Mukokuseki-rarely-appear-in-W...

Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

sangnoir wrote: post #158
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #128

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China does not make films that American consumers would want to consume. The best Chinese movies last year were mermaid and monster hunt...I saw both (bored on an air china flight), they were both absolutely awful. There was a time in the late 90s when the golden Beijing Institute of Film class (the first one after the cultural revolution) was producing wonderful art house films that DID get viewership abroad. Sadly,…

> China does not make films that American consumers would want to consume This is empirically false: Crouching Tiger, Ip Man 1-3 were all well-received[1] in the US. I could add anything by Jackie Chan (and for a while Jet Li), but not all if them were Chinese productions. 1. The first had some overt propaganda in the form of a sadistic but inept Japanese occupying officer.

Ip man wasn't that well received. Crouching tiger was the late 90s. Jackie Chan went Hollywood after the 90s.
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