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Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

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Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

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Post by anigbrowl »

laretluval wrote: post #54
argonaut wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're trying to make fun of fact checking fake news, that is a totally facetious comparison. The whole point of fact checking is that the fact check / rebuttal is put side by side or preceding the original claim, with evidence and its own citations. You're not prevented from seeing the original claim, even if statistically fewer people see the original claim. If the Communist party decided to replace all online c…

Seems that the people who are concerned about fake news aren't advocating your strategy, but rather are advocating filtration. To keep out pernicious foreign lies, just like China.

User-side filtration is fine, it's when you can't disable it that it become problematic. So not like China at all, in that rather crucial respect.

Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

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Post by xnull2guest »

In the United States, it is illegal to portray the assassination of a president.

Handling topics of National Security, such as Pearl Harbor, must be screened and if needed edited by National Security personnel.

Close partnership and collective ownership of media production facilities has given us movies with fake narratives like the Jessica Lynch story, Zero Dark Thirty, etc.

Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

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Post by gilgoomesh »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #57
Zak wrote: post #55

This is one of the more compelling arguments I've seen for allowing sideloading apart from the obvious philosophical point about users having ultimate control over devices they own.

Apple has de-facto allowed sideloading via enterprise accounts since Crashlytics Beta launched (never heard of a company being capped for having too many users downloading their beta app)

You don't even need an enterprise account for open source apps.

Assuming you build it yourself, sideloading of open source apps is free (no developer account required) for anyone running iOS 9 and Xcode 7 or later.

Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

xnull2guest wrote: post #82

In the United States, it is illegal to portray the assassination of a president. Handling topics of National Security, such as Pearl Harbor, must be screened and if needed edited by National Security personnel. Close partnership and collective ownership of media production facilities has given us movies with fake narratives like the Jessica Lynch story, Zero Dark Thirty, etc.

> In the United States, it is illegal to portray the assassination of a president

Full stop, no it isn't.

> Handling topics of National Security, such as Pearl Harbor, must be screened and if needed edited by National Security personnel.

Full stop, no it doesn't. Where the heck are you getting such misinformation? It is not just wrong, it is bordering on libel.

> Close partnership and collective ownership of media production facilities has given us movies with fake narratives like the Jessica Lynch story, Zero Dark Thirty, etc.

There is an audience for those films. There is also an audience for films that are anti-patriotic and can be considered downright subversive. The American film industry is huge, Chinese aren't aware of even 5% of its output.

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Post by tajen »

argonaut wrote: post #39
jwtadvice wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, the "fake news" filters make it hard to post the content, make it hard to reshare the content, make it less likely to show up in feeds, and mark it so that it is less likely to be read.

I hold governments to a higher standard than companies.

Unless you see the government as a company that has grown to a monopolistic size compared to the other ones. It's just an image to explain the rationale of those who don't trust it more than companies.

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Post by biesnecker »

xnull2guest wrote: post #82

In the United States, it is illegal to portray the assassination of a president. Handling topics of National Security, such as Pearl Harbor, must be screened and if needed edited by National Security personnel. Close partnership and collective ownership of media production facilities has given us movies with fake narratives like the Jessica Lynch story, Zero Dark Thirty, etc.

五毛党

Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

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Post by kahirsch »

eternalban wrote: post #34
hackuser wrote: post #14

Why are other publications (the Wall Street Journal and Financial Times are mentioned) doing to keep Chinese authorities happy? This should be a badge of honor for any news source. The NY Times doesn't publish anything about China that they don't publish about many other countries. Certainly coverage of the U.S. and U.K. is much more challenging to those authorities.

> Why are other publications (the Wall Street Journal and Financial Times are mentioned) doing to keep Chinese authorities happy? It is an interesting question. > The NY Times doesn't publish anything about China that they don't publish about many other countries. Certainly coverage of the U.S. and U.K. is much more challenging to those authorities. I don't think that is true. Some of us marched against the Iraq war…

> Did New Times put a front page picture with screaming headline about our demonstrations?

http://imgur.com/rd6WRMl Jan 19, 2003 front page picture with link to inside story

http://imgur.com/tyau0FK Jan 19, 2003 inside page

Story: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/19/us/threats-responses-rally...

Jan 20 Editorial supporting protests http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/20/opinion/a-stirring-in-the-...

Here's the NYT top story on Feb 16, 2003: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/16/world/threats-responses-pr...

Here's a low-res picture of the front page, with 3 pictures of the demonstrations: http://imgur.com/KN6YhEx

Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

biesnecker wrote: post #87
xnull2guest wrote: post #82

In the United States, it is illegal to portray the assassination of a president. Handling topics of National Security, such as Pearl Harbor, must be screened and if needed edited by National Security personnel. Close partnership and collective ownership of media production facilities has given us movies with fake narratives like the Jessica Lynch story, Zero Dark Thirty, etc.

五毛党

Maybe not, maybe just very misinformed. Probably just another overseas fuerdai trying to stick up for the motherland.

Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

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Post by Inconel »

schoen wrote: post #61

Something that might be comparably shocking is the extent to which Chinese investors and government representatives influence the content of Hollywood movies that depict or refer to China. There were some news reports about this in the last couple of years; I sat next to a Hollywood studio executive on a flight last month and (rather than arguing about copyright policy) commiserated about this issue. He confirmed tha…

I'm not a fan of this kind of government influence in filmmaking, but so long as the Chinese are at it maybe they could turn their attention to Hollywood's propensity to depict Asian males as undesirable emasculated nerds and Asian females as fetishized objects.
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