Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

nytimes.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–60 of 200 posts

Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

#51

Post by hackuser »

olalonde wrote: post #18
hackuser wrote: post #14

Why are other publications (the Wall Street Journal and Financial Times are mentioned) doing to keep Chinese authorities happy? This should be a badge of honor for any news source. The NY Times doesn't publish anything about China that they don't publish about many other countries. Certainly coverage of the U.S. and U.K. is much more challenging to those authorities.

If I recall correctly, the NYT website was blocked a few months ago when it published an unflattering (e.g. allegations of cronyism) article on Xi Jinping. The NYT is also pretty heavy on "China-bashing" though that's not really unique to them[0]. [0] http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/01/china-bashing.html

> The NYT is also pretty heavy on "China-bashing" though that's not really unique to them

I don't see it at all. The Times' reporting is equally critical, and in much greater volume, of the U.S., U.K., and probably others. The job of journalists, to a great extent, is to inform the public about problems; afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted. It's not bias against China, it's the same journalism practiced everywhere about everyone.

The link doesn't really back up its claims. These are the NYT headlines it cites as "bashing":

    *   Hong Kong Protesters Seek Democracy.
    *   Discovery of Melamine-Tainted Milk Shuts Shanghai Dairy.
    *   Index of China’s Manufacturing Rose Sharply in December.
    *   Telecom Company to Pay $3 Million in China Bribe Case.
    *   China: Xinjiang Enacts a Curb on Dissent.
    *   A pioneering editor who resigned amid [government
        censor] controversy last fall … named editor in chief of
        a new publication.
    *   China and 10 Southeast Asian nations ushered in the
        world’s third-largest free-trade area.
    *   Chinese Businesses Resist Eviction by Developers.
    *   U.S. Duties on Pipes From China Approved.
    *   China Executes Briton Despite Appeals.
It's not even all negative, and does not differ from reporting about everywhere else. One reason I like the NYT is that everyone thinks the Times is biased against them: The Clintons, Trump, progressives, liberals, conservatives, etc.

Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

#52

Post by fowl2 »

WhitneyLand wrote: post #41

I don't understand why the big hotels in China have so much wider access than normal. It seems like they make exceptions for some places mostly visited by international travelers.

Yes this is exactly it. They don't care / already know foreigner's politics.

Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

#53

Post by eternalban »

hackuser wrote: post #48
eternalban wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why are other publications (the Wall Street Journal and Financial Times are mentioned) doing to keep Chinese authorities happy? It is an interesting question. > The NY Times doesn't publish anything about China that they don't publish about many other countries. Certainly coverage of the U.S. and U.K. is much more challenging to those authorities. I don't think that is true. Some of us marched against the Iraq war…

Your demonstration is one incident. Just look at the NY Times homepage daily; you will find continual challenges to those in authority in the U.S. Perhaps they should do more or differently, but they certainly do it. And regardless, my main point was they challenge U.S. authority more than Chinese authority, which also seems hard to debate if you look at their website.

> Your demonstration is one incident.

Are you telling me that if the equivalent of /The Patriot Act/ was created in China, or Russia, or take-your-pick-enemy-dujour, and passed unread by the legislature of that nation The New York Times would not skewer them in print and run multipage spreads in the Sunday Magazine detailing every questionable aspect?

Remind me: How did The New York Times cover that event.

Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

#54

Post by laretluval »

argonaut wrote: post #27
mbgaxyz wrote: post #2

Looks like the Chinese government would like to ensure that its citizens do not fall victim to 'fake news' and has thus taken on the responsibility of 'fact checking'.

If you're trying to make fun of fact checking fake news, that is a totally facetious comparison. The whole point of fact checking is that the fact check / rebuttal is put side by side or preceding the original claim, with evidence and its own citations. You're not prevented from seeing the original claim, even if statistically fewer people see the original claim. If the Communist party decided to replace all online c…

Seems that the people who are concerned about fake news aren't advocating your strategy, but rather are advocating filtration. To keep out pernicious foreign lies, just like China.

Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

#56

Post by NoodleIncident »

mordocai wrote: post #47
argonaut wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're trying to make fun of fact checking fake news, that is a totally facetious comparison. The whole point of fact checking is that the fact check / rebuttal is put side by side or preceding the original claim, with evidence and its own citations. You're not prevented from seeing the original claim, even if statistically fewer people see the original claim. If the Communist party decided to replace all online c…

> The whole point of fact checking is that the fact check / rebuttal is put side by side or preceding the original claim, with evidence and its own citations. I'm not well read on this topic but I would like to be. I've never heard this solution presented, likely due to my lack of research. Can you provide citations of this solution being suggested and/or implemented? Besides that, while I agree it is better than pur…

http://newsroom.fb.com/news/2016/12/news-feed-fyi-addressing...

Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

#57

Post by radicaldreamer »

Zak wrote: post #55

This is one of the more compelling arguments I've seen for allowing sideloading apart from the obvious philosophical point about users having ultimate control over devices they own.

Apple has de-facto allowed sideloading via enterprise accounts since Crashlytics Beta launched (never heard of a company being capped for having too many users downloading their beta app)

Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

#58

Post by mikeash »

unchocked wrote: post #46
gohrt wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article says that Taiwan didn't have democratic elections in 1990. How is that responsive to a claim that Nationalist China was undemocratic?

I'm under the impression that Taiwan is Nationalist China.

I think you missed the implied "as of 1949" in the claim you attempted to rebut.

Re: Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China

#60

Post by hota_mazi »

mbgaxyz wrote: post #2

Looks like the Chinese government would like to ensure that its citizens do not fall victim to 'fake news' and has thus taken on the responsibility of 'fact checking'.

In the US, we are dealing with the problem of fake news and in China, they are dealing with the problem of real news.
Post reply on HN