I don't understand why the big hotels in China have so much wider access than normal. It seems like they make exceptions for some places mostly visited by international travelers.
Apple Removes New York Times Apps from iTunes Store in China
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What precisely makes Maoist China less legitimate than Nationalist China? I don't recall either of them winning any kind of fair and free elections.
Your recollection is profoundly wrong. FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Taiwan https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2016/taiwan
That article says that Taiwan didn't have democratic elections in 1990. How is that responsive to a claim that Nationalist China was undemocratic?
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Apple clearly isn't going to, although at least they have a very pro-encryption stance that we already know China isn't keen on. Google already bowed years ago. They tried to stay out of China on principle with search didn't they? But in the end the market was just too big and they entered it. It's easy to take a principled stance against North Korea (where users don't get a choice) or a smaller country that's pretty…
Google did back out of mainland China - they're only available in Hong Kong and lost 98% of their Chinese search market share because of it.
Ah, thanks. That may be why I thought they were still on the mainland.
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Apple clearly isn't going to, although at least they have a very pro-encryption stance that we already know China isn't keen on. Google already bowed years ago. They tried to stay out of China on principle with search didn't they? But in the end the market was just too big and they entered it. It's easy to take a principled stance against North Korea (where users don't get a choice) or a smaller country that's pretty…
Let's take the UK as an example. It's a medium-sized country, and no one has significant production there. Let's say the UK keeps passing insane backwards anti-privacy laws and at some point told Apple to drop the encryption from the iPhone. If Apple told them to pound sand and got banned from the UK, how much sales could they recoup if they kept Irish Apple stores extra well-stocked? If the response to Brazil's VAT…
Right. Either a county is so small it doesn't matter to sales, the grey market will fill it, or it's too big to ignore.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
What precisely makes Maoist China less legitimate than Nationalist China? I don't recall either of them winning any kind of fair and free elections.
Your recollection is profoundly wrong. FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Taiwan https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2016/taiwan
His recollection is not wrong, Taiwan didn't had a public election until the mid 90's, and even the 1996 one was a bit iffy, until 1987 Taiwan was under martial law, and until 86 you couldn't form political parties.
The Republic of China was a unitary state before and during the "communist rebellion", it continued to be a unitary state after it until 1991 (and until 2000 technically the KMT still "ruled" Taiwan) when the National Assembly which hasn't been (re)elected since 1948 voted itself out of office finally after about 10 years of some liberalization.
Today Taiwan has a ridiculous number of political parties (nearly 300) with 3-4 of them actually having seats in the house, tho effectively Taiwan is a 2 party country with sweeping swings in number of seats and leadership between the Democratic Progressive Party and the Chinese National Party.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your recollection is profoundly wrong. FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Taiwan https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2016/taiwan
That article says that Taiwan didn't have democratic elections in 1990. How is that responsive to a claim that Nationalist China was undemocratic?
I'm under the impression that Taiwan is Nationalist China.
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#47Looks like the Chinese government would like to ensure that its citizens do not fall victim to 'fake news' and has thus taken on the responsibility of 'fact checking'.
If you're trying to make fun of fact checking fake news, that is a totally facetious comparison. The whole point of fact checking is that the fact check / rebuttal is put side by side or preceding the original claim, with evidence and its own citations. You're not prevented from seeing the original claim, even if statistically fewer people see the original claim. If the Communist party decided to replace all online c…
> The whole point of fact checking is that the fact check / rebuttal is put side by side or preceding the original claim, with evidence and its own citations.
I'm not well read on this topic but I would like to be. I've never heard this solution presented, likely due to my lack of research. Can you provide citations of this solution being suggested and/or implemented?
Besides that, while I agree it is better than pure blocking I still feel it would be a government over-reach. I wouldn't like a company doing it either.
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#48Why are other publications (the Wall Street Journal and Financial Times are mentioned) doing to keep Chinese authorities happy? This should be a badge of honor for any news source. The NY Times doesn't publish anything about China that they don't publish about many other countries. Certainly coverage of the U.S. and U.K. is much more challenging to those authorities.
> Why are other publications (the Wall Street Journal and Financial Times are mentioned) doing to keep Chinese authorities happy? It is an interesting question. > The NY Times doesn't publish anything about China that they don't publish about many other countries. Certainly coverage of the U.S. and U.K. is much more challenging to those authorities. I don't think that is true. Some of us marched against the Iraq war…
Your demonstration is one incident. Just look at the NY Times homepage daily; you will find continual challenges to those in authority in the U.S. Perhaps they should do more or differently, but they certainly do it.
And regardless, my main point was they challenge U.S. authority more than Chinese authority, which also seems hard to debate if you look at their website.
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That would be a brilliant solution to have the fake news rebutted side by side. But I fear the gatekeepers will just block what they see as fake news.
Give an example of gatekeepers blocking fake news. Reply to below: I am not talking about government censorship, which is obvious, since I just talked about it. I am talking about companies using fake news as an excuse to block what they believe is fake news.
what they see as fake news. Are the things censored by China not good examples?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_China
Or are you talking about in the West? (Why ask for extant examples for things that are being proposed, but not yet enacted, regarding fake news?)
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#50Looks like the Chinese government would like to ensure that its citizens do not fall victim to 'fake news' and has thus taken on the responsibility of 'fact checking'.
The US congress recently funded a mild version of Ministry of Truth. So they aren't the only one. > Introduced by Congressmen Adam Kinzinger and Ted Lieu, H.R. 5181 seeks a “whole-government approach without the bureaucratic restrictions” to counter “foreign disinformation and manipulation,” which they believe threaten the world’s “security and stability.” http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-24/obama-signs-counter.…
The Voice of America has been operating since 1942: http://www.insidevoa.com/p/5831.html