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Do you seriously doubt that If the population is hostile to the supposed aggressor there's usually guerrilla warfare that starts almost immediately after the invasion. History has no shortage of examples of this. Yet there's an absence of this in Crimea.
Absence? So why Russia started to exile, suppress and kill Crimean Tatars then?
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More likely that a war with or annexation by Russia would begin by handing over parts of your country to Russia. Which is largely how World War II started in Europe: Stalin and Hitler agreed on a partition of the lands in between, and together started a war to implement that agreement, so that their armies could shake hands in the middle of Poland.
Your understanding of WW2 is lacking. It wasn't 2 bad guys who wanted to split Europe. Britain and France were totally on board with Hitler at first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement "The agreement was signed in the early hours of 30 September 1938 (but dated 29 September) after being negotiated at a conference held in Munich, Germany, among the major powers of Europe, excluding the Soviet Union." The G…
Sure, Chamberlain was wrong with that peace in our time and handing Bohemia to Hitler. But obviously he had difficulty in going to war over it, as well.
And Arthur Harris would have hung as a war criminal if Britain had been on the losing side against Germany. But that's a different story. The two dictators and systems in their countries were the ones most responsible for bloodshed.
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Gowdy discusses quite a few such statements with Comey here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1Mc6-RDyQ > Why mention that she was raised in Saudi Arabia? Because it shows how easily the information could escape the US to other countries, even inadvertently. I haven't claimed anything regarding the Muslim Brotherhood, nor was I aware it had been claimed regarding her. > Kim knew that giving the national security inf…
> Gowdy discusses quite a few such statements with Comey here: Again, none of those statements were made to the investigators or under oath. > Because it shows how easily the information could escape the US to other countries, even inadvertently. Again, that is the FBI's job to determine when doing the security clearance background check. > That North Korean photo we're talking about was discussed with one of her pre…
"The rumor was not that ODNI had completed the review and determined only one was not TS and the other was, but rather that they had only reached a definitive conclusion on the one (we think the North Korea email that supposedly relied on satellite imagery) and were still deciding on the other."
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
The invasion of Crimea was a direct response to US/NATO aggression. 1) The US helped plot to overthrow the Ukranian government in 2014. 2) Russia was not keen on NATO pushing for Ukraine to become a member, which would literally put the Russians major warm naval port under NATO hands. 3) Crimea has been a part of Russia for centuries, the only reason Crimea became a part of Ukraine after the breakup of the Soviet Uni…
> The US helped plot to overthrow the Ukranian government in 2014. Which is not supported by any claims, except wild Russian propaganda. > NATO pushing for Ukraine to become a member Same. > Crimea has been a part of Russia for centuries Russia (as is) didn't exist _for centuries_. > to celebrate the 300th Anniversary of the Ukraine as part of Russia That's wrong on so many levels... > Crimea voted to rejoin Russia S…
2) http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/russia-wary-of-nat...
http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/04/opinion/la-oe-walker...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2016/09/22/say-no-to-...
3)>"Gifted" because Khrushchev's transfer was ostensibly to mark the 300th anniversary of Ukraine's merger with the Russian empire. And he probably didn't think the Soviet Union would be gone less than 40 years later.
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/02/27/283481587/c...
4) 2/3 of Crimeans are ethnically Russian, and Russians have been the predominant people in Crimea for 100 years
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Gowdy discusses quite a few such statements with Comey here: Again, none of those statements were made to the investigators or under oath. > Because it shows how easily the information could escape the US to other countries, even inadvertently. Again, that is the FBI's job to determine when doing the security clearance background check. > That North Korean photo we're talking about was discussed with one of her pre…
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10587 "The rumor was not that ODNI had completed the review and determined only one was not TS and the other was, but rather that they had only reached a definitive conclusion on the one (we think the North Korea email that supposedly relied on satellite imagery) and were still deciding on the other."
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> So unlike the WMD scenario it seems incontrovertibly clear that some actor did do this. what are you basing that on? based on the USG's own best evidence (in this article), this was a canned wordpress exploit that isn't even really that new. So why, exactly, is it necessary to invoke an adversary with state-level resources? edit: citation
The word 'actor' does not in my vernacular assume 'state level' only that it was was a willful act by some person or group of persons.
Thanks for clarifying.
It seems, though, that if "actor" only means "someone", then the claim become so broad that it's tautological (and irrelevant).
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The US helped plot to overthrow the Ukranian government in 2014. Which is not supported by any claims, except wild Russian propaganda. > NATO pushing for Ukraine to become a member Same. > Crimea has been a part of Russia for centuries Russia (as is) didn't exist _for centuries_. > to celebrate the 300th Anniversary of the Ukraine as part of Russia That's wrong on so many levels... > Crimea voted to rejoin Russia S…
1) Supported by many claims and was linked to including verified phone calls. 2) http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/russia-wary-of-nat... http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/04/opinion/la-oe-walker... http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2016/09/22/say-no-to-... 3)>"Gifted" because Khrushchev's transfer was ostensibly to mark the 300th anniversary of Ukraine's merger with the Russian empire. And he probably…
And you've failed to produce any sources for those _many_ claims?
Color me suprprised.
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The word 'actor' does not in my vernacular assume 'state level' only that it was was a willful act by some person or group of persons.
> it seems incontrovertibly clear that some actor did do this Thanks for clarifying. It seems, though, that if "actor" only means "someone", then the claim become so broad that it's tautological (and irrelevant).
My claim was simply that the two assertions, WMD development and election interference, had fundamental differences in terms of the factual basis. Which for me makes it an invalid comparison.
Now, had their actually been a WMD of some type and we got wrong whether it had been Iraq, Iran, or Saudi Arabia that had done the development. That would make it more similar to documented interference in an election by one or more actors.
Interesting to come back to this now as even the President Elect agrees with the Assessment that it was Russia that ordered the interference.
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1) Supported by many claims and was linked to including verified phone calls. 2) http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/russia-wary-of-nat... http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/04/opinion/la-oe-walker... http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2016/09/22/say-no-to-... 3)>"Gifted" because Khrushchev's transfer was ostensibly to mark the 300th anniversary of Ukraine's merger with the Russian empire. And he probably…
> Supported by many claims and was linked to including verified phone calls. And you've failed to produce any sources for those _many_ claims? Color me suprprised.
Listen to the hacked Nuland-Pyatt call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9J6sxCs5k
Ron Paul: U.S. State Dept. Conspired To Overthrow Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZwPy8ogGXc
Ukraine’s Pres. Poroshenko Says Overthrow of Yanukovych Was a Coup http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/06/ukraines-pres-poroshe...